To think pronatalists are on to something?

[Carebearsonmybed]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25/american-pronatalists-malcolm-and-simone-collins?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I don't agree with everything this couple say or do but I do think we are approaching a demographic timebomb when the global human population starts to drop in 50 years time.

Most women probably expect to have more DCs at 20 than they end up having by 45. What can we do to get the UK birth rate to replacement rate of c 2.5 so we don't have a crisis of elderly people without enough workers to pay for or provide care and subsidence?

Could be a virus like the mumps that only impacts male fertility.

"Who the fuck cares?! Why does ‘life’ need to survive?

If the earth is hit by an asteroid this afternoon and every single living creature and plant are incinerated instantly, why would that be an issue in any way? Other than it feeling a bit sad because I’m going on holiday tomorrow and I’m quite looking forward to it.

No one would be left to care.

The whole of ‘space’ is a natural entity- bits banging into other bits and changing their properties is a natural process. If in millions or billions of years that results in bare planets spinning around for the rest of eternity that’s fine."

I cannot fathom this world view/ mind set at all. It blows me away.

Until recently / MN I assumed all humans wanted humanity to continue.

It seems callous to me to be indifferent to the death of billions of people.

But who would care?

The earth would repair itself without us

We can have more ethical lifestyles that don't do as much damage to the environment even with large families eg not flying, not driving, not eating meat.

Even if this made sense from an emissions standpoint (it doesn’t - an extra human massively outweighs every other emitting activity including flying, driving and eating meat), how many families are going to be signing up for this? You may know lots of large families living off the land, but every family I know with 3-5 kids is living a consumerist lifestyle - driving big cars, annual trips abroad, eating whatever they like.

I just think it’s an excuse when people make out that large families are all living ethically to offset their climate impact - they aren’t, and even if they were trying to, you can’t offset a whole new human by not going abroad once a year.

I've never met a family of 3+ who take annual trips abroad.

Until the next mass die off when Earth enters the next Ice Age. Assuming any living nonhuman creature makes it to the end of life on Earth (earliest around one billion years) is quite a leap. Going off-planet is the only way life can continue

And only humans have the potential for that. All living things on Earth will depend on that …. Life has been on Earth for 3 or 4 billion years but cannot survive much longer than one billion years from now