To think schools should get with the times re working parents.

[working8til4]

Why can't they be open 8-6 for everyone? It would help reduce gender inequality in the work place

AIBU - DON'T BE SILLY
YANBU - actually you have a point

Yep. Not enough teachers to staff the current education system so lets create a need for more of them.

@arethereanyleftatall

So what's the alternative? Only people who don't work are allowed to have children and live off the state while everyone else works and isn't allowed to have children? Nice.

No and what’s that got to do with having school and office hours match better? The vast majority of families who require wraparound care have at least one 9-5, office-based parent.

Childcare should be better funded and organised by the state IMO but no way is it school’s responsibility.

if you can’t manage the practicalities of having kids don’t have them! Most of us rely on a combination of family help and paying for wraparound care. Holidays is an extra challenge.

it does get easier as your kids get older tho

Anyway, it’s not going to happen. The gov can’t afford it. And no one’s going to offer to do it for free. So you’re just going to have to suck it up op.

As an NHS worker I am amused here by the horror from school staff that they might have to be at work till 1800. The injustice!!

It would be good to incentivise big companies to have on-site creches, nurseries etc., and manage the staffing and running themselves. Doesn't necessarily have to be in the same building, could be a nearby building in a business park etc., or a joint one in built-up areas that's for employees at businesses within x distance. They have more space in offices now with more people working from home. It would also be good for staff hiring and retention if they were able to provide such a convenient service - and no more morning drop offs in the other direction from work.

Plus it's good for the employer - no more arriving late, no more "my kid is sick I have to leave and pick them up" on a Friday lunchtime excuses because they know if the kid is actually sick or not. And parents could spend breaks with their kids if they wanted.

Yes, I think that is what is meant by getting your shit together before having kids! Schools would prefer parents to not have jobs. Either that or a) inherit a fortune or b) set up your own business and become as rich as Bill Gates/Elon Musk before procreating.

Actually, it makes you wonder why we bother educating kids at all. It would be so much more convenient for childcare if they also grew up to only live on benefits.

My daughters Secondary education has become somewhat of a joke. Her school recently became inadequate, the building is falling to bits, head teacher has jumped ship, many of the classrooms have broken heating systems or are on full belt all the time and the kids aren't allowed to remove blazers (teacher has literally said "if I have to suffer, you do too" ...as she stands in a vest top and shorts). This is the start of her GCSE year. You CANNOT put kids into places like that for longer.

And before people suggest moving schools (all the other Secondary schools are now overwhelmed/oversubscribed because of this mess).

I set up my own business with the goal of earning a decent amount of money before I had kids. But now my business has taken off and I've decided I'd rather just have fun and a peaceful life than the endless hassle (!)

Do your child gets to see a parent even less each day? Yes I’m sure that’s in the best interest of the child.

Schools should be open 8-6 with the wrap around hours free and non compulsory.

These are the times for extra PE/sport/exercise, art, drama, music, other non core activities.

We hear of many, many people struggling to put food on the table, and SOMETIMES that is down to not having the correct skills.

I was taught how to basic cook, and house management at school, I went to night classes to continue that because I enjoyed it.

When required, I know how to cook nutritious meals for a week for a family of five all in for less than £30per week, because I was taught by people who knew what they were talking about.

It’s the same with darning, repairing clothes, making clothes, I was taught by a professional seamstress who retrained as a teacher once she became a mother.

Latin is required for many jobs, doctors, pharmacists, nurses are trained to a much higher standard these days - they actually have been to university, the legal profession also uses Latin.

You tube is great I’m sure, but I’m talking about secondary school here, I’m not talking about two to nine year olds, and I don’t remember my daughter learning sewing in brownies, it was all about fun.

i think teachers do a fantastic job, I’m glad this country has a good education system, but I think the teachers must find it an impossibility when the actual “learning” time is approximately four hours a day.

Apples and oranges.

(Plus, whilst I'm not a teacher, plenty of them do work way into the evening, just not physically teaching)

Teashers can also be working parents.

Perhaps on your next shift you could come up with an injustice dance for TikTok?

See how we can all have a dig about another person’s job, especially when we lack understanding.

Thank you. You get it

This is OPs fundamental problem. She thinks if roles are created, that automatically brings forth people to do them. It does not!

bast majority of teachers will be working from 7:30-6 with the current school hours. If lessons started at 8 then they would been to be in school by 6:30am. Who would provide childcare for their own kids from 6am for a start.

Ironic. Given that teachers often have the least understanding of other people’s jobs. As seen by their comments on here. It’s hard to keep sympathising really.

Don’t have the TikTok app. Sorry to disappoint!

Why is everyone assuming all teachers have kids

But none of that is related to your point.

Well judging from comments here, that childcare would be their problem to sort out. Like other working people.

SpeakerNails
Most teachers get to work long before pupils do…I was usually in around 7.45. I rarely left before 5.30 and was often not the last to leave. Marking/prep was done after children in bed and Sunday pm was usually spent marking or planning as planning time in school often gets taken up by other admin. So a 9.5 hour day in school plus an extra
1 to 2 hours at home. No wonder teachers are leaving. That’s a 70 + hour week.

This ^^
YAB massively unreasonable OP.