To think we are being lined up for something?

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I work in food supply chain.
Four of the 'big' grocery retailers have just asked to renegotiate at least four weeks min supply, as opposed to two.
This happened in Feb 2020 as well.
Lots of rhetoric about being on a war footing, from politicos.
And then Sunak essentially jumping ship yesterday, as though he knows there is a crisis on the horizon that he wants no part of.
There is no way that the Tories have a prayer in a July election.
So what do they know that they aren't telling us?

This country needs more viable political parties for a start. Most countries have multiple parties of relatively equal strength and as a result end up with more diverse parliaments. I’m embarrassed when I watch the parliament in sessions - either nobody shows up or if there is a full house, the entire time is spent on boos and posturing and nothing gets done. Then whenever a law needs passing and the House of Lords get involved they spend more time on tripping up the process than actually involving themselves in the issue and solving problems for the nation. There was a documentary about this a few years ago and that charmer Rees-Mogg proudly explained how he took steps to drag things and prevent any action. We seem to be having enquiry after enquiry with no action as a result. Nobody is ever arrested or tried for their behaviours (latest being the post office scandal) and it’s a huge waste of resources and time.

@NosyJosie more choice would be wonderful

So what do you think would be the lowest age to vote? 15? Why not? 14? Personally, I'd raise the voting age to 21. I think lots of disaffected students would definitely vote Labour, but at least they would have had some life experiences to draw on before voting.

Telling people to have about three days food in suggests they don't think it's going to be a very big disaster.

Or it's a cunning ploy to keep the plebs indoors for a bit whilst the elite loot all the Waitroses

Why just the older voters.?!!!
The National service announcement isn’t compulsory. See recent updates.
No one will go to jail or get a ‘record’ if they don’t chose to do it.

Then politics should become part of the National Curriculum for all as most 16 year olds have little in terms of life experiences away from the home environment.

Agree that three days is nothing.

The “plebs” you speak of have not been able to go to Waitrose for years and are barely holding their shit together shopping in Lidl and Aldi so I think you’re safe.

Anti-semitism and anti Zionism turned me 100% against labor a few years back.
Not sure the party has changed. Can’t understand why they champion “niche” issues that are incomprehensible to most people. Yet are blatantly racist. If they used same language and behavior towards any other population it would be a quick cancellation. It’s like they are so afraid of trans, and ok with Jwe-hating. I need to see the party being more openly friendly to all.

Seeing that National Service idea addressing the fact that many youth “hate” Britain and British values.

Essentially, we lumber people with a four year political tattoo every election. When then are 16 and 17 they have to live with the consequences. I agree we should not allow 16 year olds to have tattoos, but this is more like the older people get to tell them what tattoo to have whether they like it or not.

Are you from the UK yourself?
I ask because of your spelling of Labour and there being so many trolls about.

As I said @Sweden99 , personally, I'd raise the voting age to 21. That's nothing to do with my political views. (I like Keir Starmer - though his weedy response as to what is a woman does him no favours). I think lots of 21 year old disaffected students would definitely vote Labour and they'd win by a landslide, but at least they would have had some life experiences to draw on before voting.

They may be legally old enough to marry and/or start a family but no sensible 16 year old would do either of those things.

I think the voting age should be raised as should the age of being able to marry. Youngsters today are, on the whole, far more immature than youngsters in the past.

My parents started full time work at 14. Could you even imagine the mollycoddled 14 year olds of today coping with that?

Maybe the intention is to use National Service to fill jobs like care worker vacancies. Including filling the 40"000 vacancies caused by their Covid vaccine mandate. Wouldnt be the first time they use the public to pay for their mistakes

Of all the typos I have seen on MN, this is the smallest 😂

Wondering where people are “from” is one of the reasons this country is a mess. The U.K. has been truly multicultural since WW2.

Also, even people who are not British may have lived here for long enough to make their own observations, as well as being legitimate voters, that doesn’t make them a “troll” does it?!

Actually I would disagree, the UK is not multi cultural and it should not be. It’s a model which dies not work.

Many people from many different cultures live and work here, but, in order for a society to work at its most effective there needs to be a prevailing culture, Norma’s and values to which all members subscribe, rituals which are shared and understood. It is in the trying to break down this, society is failing, because without this what is society other Han a collection of individuals

No, which is why I was confirming.

Which is about the virtue of democracy and who should get the vote.
If it is about being well informed and having relevant experience, it is a dangerous path.
I suggest that the Government has to gain credibility by consent of those who will live with the consequences and judgement by those who have lived with the consequences.
If naive views and inexperience are disqualifying, you are after an unaccountable elite rule.

Indulge me, please. Outline which British values you speak . Because from where am sitting, a LOT of families “not from here” have a lot more traditional “British” values than your average born and bred white families.

Problem is, @Sweden99 , those who will live with the consequences of their votes are not just the 16 year olds - it's also those who are younger than 16. So what age will you allow to vote? 15? 14? 13? There has to be a lower age limit somewhere, doesn't there? Many adults of all ages are naive and inexperienced (I'm definitely not one of the sharpest tools in the box - so perhaps I ought to be disqualified from voting) but there has to be a qualifying line somewhere, doesn't there? A lower age limit isn't perfect, but no one seems to have come up with a better suggestion. Until then, we'll have to disagree as to the age one should be to vote- but at least, by the time one is 21 you should have seen a bit more of life than a 16 year old. And as I said, I reckon most 21 year olds will probably elect a Labour government anyway.

They have a vote in Wales...

Smoke and mirrors, peeps smoke and mirrors.....so what else exactly have they been up to quietly that we're NOT hearing about? ( like the spying on peoples internet and bank accounts that they snuck through on a late sunday evening whilst the news was all about the latest MP scandal?) Just wondering..
I cannot help thinking that all politicians of all denominations are the same , we are given a "choice" simply to keep us in line..

16/17 year olds are too easily influenced by their peers, you only have to see the amount of them thinking they are the opposite sex or identifying as a cat to realise that. God help us if they were allowed to vote.

Yes, I understand and there is a compromise and it will be arbitrary.
I would ask you to read the point I made, as I had read yours.

As the mother of two young adults who were recently teens I’d say that was a bit of a harsh assessment! Yes sixteen and seventeen year olds can have a bit of a skewed perspective when it comes to assessing themselves and their place in the world but they have a surprising amount of clarity when it comes to world affairs and a keen sense of justice. Let them have their say!

Jeez 16 and 17 year olds may be "easily influenced by their peers" but they have a stake in the future! Raising the voting age to 21 is about as fair as having a cut off at say 75. Why should anyone 75+ have a vote? They have no idea of how the world works these days.
See? Sounds ageist that way round doesn't it? What's the difference? Why is a 70 year old more "worthy" than a 19 year old?