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To think we are being lined up for something?

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BeverForget · 23/05/2024 22:09

I work in food supply chain.
Four of the 'big' grocery retailers have just asked to renegotiate at least four weeks min supply, as opposed to two.
This happened in Feb 2020 as well.
Lots of rhetoric about being on a war footing, from politicos.
And then Sunak essentially jumping ship yesterday, as though he knows there is a crisis on the horizon that he wants no part of.
There is no way that the Tories have a prayer in a July election.
So what do they know that they aren't telling us?

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GivePeaceAChance · 24/05/2024 13:24

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 24/05/2024 13:02

Sadly, there is a chance of war, a short one as it may quickly turn nuclear
The gutter press has been banging on about a "war with russia soon" for a long while now

Sadly, the gutter press could be correct as our lame gov is considering allowing our missiles etc to be used against Russia on russia soil and that is certainly a red line for russia.

russia would start out by attacking Englands bases in the ukraine and it will escalate or not from there

IMO, there is a bigger potential of a misunderstanding of a nuclear attack creating a real one

IMO, this may come first - a massive cyber attack on our gas and eltrics network followed up by a banking cyber attack along with attack on the NHS.
IMO, I may be wrong, NHS IT systems are not as robust as banking and utultires

I hope I am wrong but I hit covid on the head and was warning people it was an even like never seen before in the world in modern times and everyone laughed, I was saying this in Nov 2019

re war ramblings links below - BUT NOT from the gutter press
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-will-strike-british-targets-if-uk-weapons-are-used-hit-its-2024-05-23/

Thanks for this.
All very worrying if you live near a potential target.
Which we do

Totallymessed · 24/05/2024 13:25

Finally a thread for me to find my fellow paranoia people 😂

My thoughts are that Putin is doing a lot of sabre rattling about the UK interfering in his war in Ukraine atm. Before all the mocking posts start, I'm not living in fear that a nuclear missile is going to hit London or I'm going to wake up to see Russian paratroopers floating down from the sky. But I wouldn't be surprised at cyber attacks against infrastructure or essential services like the NHS. Interestingly, I did read some time agon that Ukrainian hackers have had some successes targeting things like payment systems used in Russian petrol stations + disrupting fuel supplies. I would be amazed if there aren't ongoing attempts by the Russians to hack and disrupt things in the UK.

But then, I also think....last year's Paris bed bug hysteria turned out to be probably the result of Russian trolls. For all the benefits of the internet, it has also allowed for unprecedented interference by hostile powers in the running of other countries. Interesting times!

GivePeaceAChance · 24/05/2024 13:28

Totallymessed · 24/05/2024 13:25

Finally a thread for me to find my fellow paranoia people 😂

My thoughts are that Putin is doing a lot of sabre rattling about the UK interfering in his war in Ukraine atm. Before all the mocking posts start, I'm not living in fear that a nuclear missile is going to hit London or I'm going to wake up to see Russian paratroopers floating down from the sky. But I wouldn't be surprised at cyber attacks against infrastructure or essential services like the NHS. Interestingly, I did read some time agon that Ukrainian hackers have had some successes targeting things like payment systems used in Russian petrol stations + disrupting fuel supplies. I would be amazed if there aren't ongoing attempts by the Russians to hack and disrupt things in the UK.

But then, I also think....last year's Paris bed bug hysteria turned out to be probably the result of Russian trolls. For all the benefits of the internet, it has also allowed for unprecedented interference by hostile powers in the running of other countries. Interesting times!

As an aside.
London will be the safest place to be anyway

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:28

OneTC · 24/05/2024 10:47

How frequently do you/would you replace them?

Store in a cool dark place ( cupboard under stairs type of thing) I do this and change them for fresh every 3 to 4 weeks ( I use the old to water plants/tip into a barrel for outdoors so as not to waste)

Totallymessed · 24/05/2024 13:29

Regarding the election timing, I suspect Rishi Sunak is fucked off with the constant sniping from other Tories. And wants to get his family settled into a nice mansion in California before the start of the school year 😂

laveritable · 24/05/2024 13:30

Do not start the panic buying ! PLEASE!

RubySloth · 24/05/2024 13:32

Congratulations, I'm sure the idiots will now be emptying the shelves and fuel pumps like last time due to people like you posting stupid things.

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:32

cerisepanther73 · 24/05/2024 11:04

and people think history is a dead subject ,

History in some ways just repeats as humans don't learn that's why

Wars conflicts, climate change ect...

War...war never changes....

MotherFeministWoman · 24/05/2024 13:34

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:32

War...war never changes....

God, if life becomes as tedious, boring, and ugly as Fallout 4 I might need to start worrying.

WhiteLily1 · 24/05/2024 13:34

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:28

Store in a cool dark place ( cupboard under stairs type of thing) I do this and change them for fresh every 3 to 4 weeks ( I use the old to water plants/tip into a barrel for outdoors so as not to waste)

tap water in a bottle tastes absolutely rank after 24-48 hours let alone weeks!

Sunnyandsilly · 24/05/2024 13:36

Isn’t it obvious, if anyone gets in other than Tory it’s going to go to shit really quickly. Really quickly. So they need to be prepared for a market meltdown that might not recover fast.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 24/05/2024 13:37

Totallymessed · 24/05/2024 13:25

Finally a thread for me to find my fellow paranoia people 😂

My thoughts are that Putin is doing a lot of sabre rattling about the UK interfering in his war in Ukraine atm. Before all the mocking posts start, I'm not living in fear that a nuclear missile is going to hit London or I'm going to wake up to see Russian paratroopers floating down from the sky. But I wouldn't be surprised at cyber attacks against infrastructure or essential services like the NHS. Interestingly, I did read some time agon that Ukrainian hackers have had some successes targeting things like payment systems used in Russian petrol stations + disrupting fuel supplies. I would be amazed if there aren't ongoing attempts by the Russians to hack and disrupt things in the UK.

But then, I also think....last year's Paris bed bug hysteria turned out to be probably the result of Russian trolls. For all the benefits of the internet, it has also allowed for unprecedented interference by hostile powers in the running of other countries. Interesting times!

He is but our stupid bastards, a little nation aka puppet of the USA is making us the focus as we are the weakest link

I just want Cameron to SHUT UP as it is a "red line"

I've taken previous press reports a not really worrying but the recent loose talk by our Gov/ministers is not helping

I am feeling that soon our idiots/gov that has access to nuclear bunkers and we don't, may allow, ok ukriane to use UK weapons to attack Russian soil - I HOPE I AM WRONG

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-will-strike-british-targets-if-uk-weapons-are-used-hit-its-2024-05-23/

Anniegetyourgun · 24/05/2024 13:38

Sunnyandsilly · 24/05/2024 13:36

Isn’t it obvious, if anyone gets in other than Tory it’s going to go to shit really quickly. Really quickly. So they need to be prepared for a market meltdown that might not recover fast.

Remind me who was in government the last time the market went to shit really quickly... or are you one of those who think Liz Truss was a genius but the Bank of England spoiled it?

Ihateslugs · 24/05/2024 13:38

laveritable · 24/05/2024 13:30

Do not start the panic buying ! PLEASE!

Too late! Supermarkets near me are already rationing water, toilet rolls and batteries! Long queues reported in some shops as well, but as it’s a BH weekend, that might just be normal. I shop online and am due to place my next order so I hope I can still get what I want.

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:42

dayswithaY · 24/05/2024 12:12

A box of matches?

The only shop near me for miles charges 1.45 for a box of matches.....I have to feed 3 of us on 14 a week, often less. So yes, even a box of matches that MIGHT be needed ( but with no candles and a possibly useless electric cooker what would matches be of use for) versus food that IS needed now

Woozerbug · 24/05/2024 13:43

How stupid is everyone?

its project fear, the Tory plan to freak everyone out so they vote for them as they reckon people trust them more in a crisis (haha). Rishi literally said ‘vote for tories as the world is dangerous right now’ and then this. They would NOT being holding an election if something g dreadful is imminent - because there’s a massive vacuum of power.

you’re all falling for this because some random on Mumsnet (Tory Hq anyone) has posted declaring it.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 24/05/2024 13:44

Protect & Survive was available for purchase in the 80s, but it was never distributed to all households.

There was also a series of booklets produced by several local authorities which were also based on the hypothetical nuclear scenario (on London) Operation Square Leg, which was also published as a book (I have a very dog eared paperback of London & the Bomb).

The example below is from Hull and the Bomb (the link has most of, if not the entire booklet)https://xenogothic.com/2021/02/25/hull-and-the-bomb/

Operation Square Leg itself is grim reading. The scenario focuses on thermonuclear weapons of 1MT and above. Unless you’re one of the lucky few in Government or military who’ll be running the show from their bunkers (should they have the opportunity to get there), it’s rather a case of stick your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye.

Now, as we have missile guidance systems that can pinpoint a target with extreme accuracy, the modern warheads are therefore more likely to be in the kiloton range. Warheads are expensive, just making the plutonium for the first stage tamper is many millions, if not billions of $$ once you figure in reactor fuel, time, reprocessing, manufacture, movement, upkeep etc.

Thus theoretically, your chances of survival is increased.

Unfortunately, we live on a tiny island, so fallout from ground bursts and our ever changing wind direction would probably make everywhere hotter than a vindaloo.

And would we want to survive anyway? IIRC, in 1966 docudrama The War Game by Peter Watkins, the question is asked, with the answer being, ‘the survivors would envy the dead. It’s a very grim watch making use of cinema verité to horrific effect, so much so the BFI banned it from being televised until the middle of 1985, post Threads & The Day After.

Having been a teen in the 80s, and a member of CND during the Cold War (when the four minute warning was always hanging over our heads), I have made my peace at hoping I’m directly under the bloody thing should we have one thrown this way.

Putin and his continuous sabre rattling (and his alleged Poseidon weapon that’ll wipe the UK off the map, utter bollocks) is always of concern, because he’s irrational and unhinged. Ditto that little pillock in North Korea. And boy do they both like to sabre rattle! I can only assume that both men have very tiny willies.

I recommend Juile’s Atomic Hobo podcast as well, and follow my friend Dr Becky Alexis-Martin on Twitter (or x or whatever it is this week) who wrote Disarming Doomsday.

As for other scenarios like cyber terrorism, flooding, pandemic etc., where collapse of the food chain is possible, then having a week or so of food & water is a good thing. But prepping for a nuclear apocalypse of multiple weapons going boom on the UK?

Sod that.

To think we are being lined up for something?
Mydietstartstomorrow · 24/05/2024 13:46

I can’t stock up I’ve got a teenager in the house that devours everything in a couple of days! I’m proper fc**d then! 😂

WhiteLily1 · 24/05/2024 13:48

BlackFriYay · 24/05/2024 13:05

I spent days metaphorically shitting myself when threads like this started appearing when covid hit, then again when Putin started his sabre rattling about nuclear weapons. It all gets a bit too much for people who have a tendency to panic and get stuck in a doom mindset. I clearly haven't learned my lesson though as here I am again, reading the same shit, years later.

If anybody else reading is like me, can I suggest you hide the thread and look after your mental health? I will be doing so after I post this 🙁

This.
Before covid started I stocked up out of sheer panic with lots of various items / food / tins. Hardly any of which I actually was in desperate need of because dispute the shops being a bit empty for a week I could still get plenty of food in the multitude of smaller shops around. Shopping slots were tricky but I still got them.
In fact I would say (and my waist would agree) I ate better during lockdown than any other time! And exercised more.

Then Over 2 years ago I worried myself to tears every night looking at mumsnet threads with people ‘in the know’ that we would be imminently at war with Russia and almost thought I was going to see a mushroom cloud from my window any moment.
I didn’t think next week would come let alone 2 years. Yet here we are.
Im going to have to take another long break from mumsnet if these threads carry on. Too much anxiety and people who know absolutly f-all spreading fear or worse trolling that they know someone who knows something.
No point living if you are going to cower in fear and ruin precious days of life.
There will be an enormous amount of crap in the papers / news leading up to the election and some of this will be fear based. Most will be propaganda and you can bet all will be there for a purpose - to try to influence YOU!
To anyone who is worried: turn off the news on your phone and TV. Don’t load up mumsnet. Go outside and enjoy the summer.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 24/05/2024 13:49

We will see in 3 months.

Something big is coming. Prepare accordingly.

Benidorm in August!
Did I win?

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 13:52

WhiteLily1 · 24/05/2024 13:34

tap water in a bottle tastes absolutely rank after 24-48 hours let alone weeks!

We had 15 days with no water supply at all a couple of years ago, and with no transport and no shops trust me life was hell for a while, I've been keeping backups ever since

GalileoHumpkins · 24/05/2024 14:01

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To think we are being lined up for something?
MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 24/05/2024 14:11

MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/05/2024 22:40

What exactly does being on a war footing mean these days though?

Dunno - maybe a state of perpetual readiness to invade a country (cf Iraq)?

or to get people to rally to the flag and government because of them nasty Russians and Palestinian supporters who threaten the very fabric of our society etc etc?

MibsXX · 24/05/2024 14:13

Ok, whatever may or may not be going to happen this year, may I suggest that there really is feck all any of us can do about it, so how about we all simply look forward to a nice warm summer, do something fun every day, take joy in hearing birdsong, smile and say hi to a stranger when out walking, and learn to appreciate the life we do have each and every day. One day at a time.