To think that those private school parents banging on about their fees

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Seriously have misjudged how little anyone else gives a stuff??? NHS, social care, state education, public transport, bloody potholes everywhere - that’s what matters to everyone I know.
Not whether or not VAT is added to a business.

YANBU - it’s hardly the end of the world if Clemmie or Charles end up going to a state school. We have bigger things to worry about in the U.K. right now

YABU - of course everyone cares private school parents might have to pay more

The private school in our town is also the largest employer, add to that the local
suppliers they use and closing the school due to a 20% increase in fees would cause a devastating effect on the local economy. So it’s not just the ‘rich parents’ who should be complaining about this.

It's being done to destroy private education. A lot of people who send their kids to private school are not affluent , a lot of self employed builders send their kids . If I could have afforded it I would have sent mine .

@MinervaMcGonagallsCat so you don’t care about parents who send their DC with SEND to independent schools because they can’t get the support in state schools? Because this policy isn’t going to help them

It’s not about you , it’s about everyone else

Please do show me the post where I wrote that.

Not sure about that moniker sounds cheesy

But @IAmThe1AndOnly and others have it

My interest is due to not wanting separation between two sectors to widen, private becoming even more elite

And state doing worse due to no extra funding, but more students. Plus house price pressure for good state areas

The parents buying in Clemmie and Charles catchment area will be the same set of rich parents. Most parents have been priced out long ago. Won’t make a jot of difference.

Except that this is a thread where people are sharing opinions. So that post is about my opinion. And my opinion is about me.

Slightly off topic. But how long do you think it will be until this policy will be implemented? ( if labour gets in?)
Does it need to go through parliament? House of Lords? Do the parents need a terms notice or more?
And the knock on effect on state schools? Surely they need time to prepare for higher numbers of pupils?
I'm Edinburgh alone, where 25% of pupils are private this will have a significant impact on the state schools. They are estimating needing at least one, if not two new high schools to accommodate them

What a nasty sneery thread dripping with envy. (awaits claims that people wouldn't choose Private even if they could afford it)
DS has one year left at Private School and if we need to pay more fees then fine, no real issue with that and I don't expect anyone who isn't affected to really care.
However, as a Parent and a Human Being I actually care about people who are facing things that I probably never will and can appreciate that they might be worried about things that I am not.
I won't be taking any pleasure in other peoples difficulties

Like I just said on another thread, I don't get why people seem to think the private schools VAT plan will help address inequality especially in education.

The real educational inequality is between different state schools.

Loads of parents pay for good schools. However only a minority do it by saving the state money and sending their DC to private schools. The majority who pay for good schools, spend lots of money on a house near one of the better state schools (pricing away less wealthy parents).

So long as your kids are in that sector and benefit from the huge inequalities private education brings,sod everybody else.

Very few will move , most in the sector can well afford it,the extra money they’ll be paying isn’t a lot. £250 a month.

If people buy cheaper homes so that they have more cash for fees then they won’t necessarily be in the catchment of good state schools. These are the people who might be forced to pick state.

I agree that there are people who could pay even if fees went up for 40%

Maybe not, but that's not the point. A vote for the Tories is an acceptance that all those items are being managed well isn't it, just on the strength of one policy that will affect you negatively and me probably neutrally. Those other things are not being managed well and I won't vote for the Tories just because you'll have to reach a bit deeper in your already deep pockets when I think Labour are at least going to do it in a way that isn't about profits for themselves and their cronies.

86% of state schools are good or outstanding so not getting your point here. Most live near one.

Again:
If 5% of private school DC move to state it will cost the state £200million per year
10% will cost the state £400million per year.

Every child in private school saves the taxpayer 7-8K per year

The other thing is Starmer is going on about this but not saying what is going to happen in state education. It is in dire straits, this is what he needs to concentrating on. Not trying to get rid of Private schools by the back door, just leaving the highly expensive elite ones. This policy is helping state education

Not now, no. Let's see if that changes.

Already in an issue where I live in the South East and, as many have said, it's all about whether you can afford 1 mill plus for a house in a desirable cacthment area. I couldn't and my children were discriminated against because I am an atheist so I used independent schools instead.

I'm nearly finished too so don't massively care personally. But I know that the primary school my kids went to has already experienced a massive drop in registrations as people with younger kids are now busy elbowing them into church schools and the ofsted outstanding schools buying up over-priced property, elbowing out the kids in social housing slightly further away.

At the senior school, they have had to cancel most of the school trips now as people are keeping funds back in case the VAT comes in within thier children's time scales. Diddums, Clemmie and Charlie don't get to go skiing or go to Malawi or get to see a volcano in Sicily. But neither do Olivia and Ollie, whose parents are already scrimping to pay their 50% fees. And Jayden and Aaliyah who are on 100% bursary have now lost their only chance to see these places or even leave the UK, and experience what social mobility might have to offer them.

how long do you think it will be until this policy will be implemented? ( if labour gets in?

It could be pretty quick. The change is implemented via the budget and doesn't require legislation. The new chancellor will decide the date of implementation. Which could be immediately following the budget or more likely he or she will set a date - which could be the start of the next fiscal year or academic year.

Does it need to go through parliament?

Parliament approves the budget in a vote.

House of Lords?

No the House of Lords has no remit over the budget

Do the parents need a terms notice or more?

Its up to the chancellor to set the date of implementation and then up to schools when they plan to pass it onto parents.

And the knock on effect on state schools? Surely they need time to prepare for higher numbers of pupils?

That one is a matter of opinion with views divided on this. Opponents of the scheme believing state schools will be flooded and supporters of the scheme (me) believing its catastrophising scaremongering.

I'm Edinburgh alone, where 25% of pupils are private this will have a significant impact on the state schools. They are estimating needing at least one, if not two new high schools to accommodate them

See above - although as I mentioned before Edinburgh is a unique situation and you wont all get into Balerno and James Gillespies but I believe that the WHEC and other schools have a lot of capacity so you will be catered for.

Oftsed grade of good/outstanding doesn't actually = good school
If state schools are so good why are my 2 state teacher friends + next door neighbour who is HoD in an 'outstanding' school all send their DC private?

What are people’s impressions of what the extra funding will actually go towards or help?

Yes, I didn't think we could be the only ones.

Do you mean my dc? I’m posting as a state school parent. I don’t want the divide, the higher house prices and extra students

People can care about more than one thing but will always care more about something that directly affects them. Always your own house first.

It's human nature.

OFSTED’s idea of “good” isn’t necessarily what parents think is “good”. Our local “good” primary is dreadful. Children join in reception far exceeding average attainment/expectations levels. 60% leave in year 6 having not met expected standards in maths and English. Behaviour is dreadful. Teachers and pupils are leaving in droves. That’s certainly not my idea of “good”.