To think that those private school parents banging on about their fees

[Thegreatergoodgerald]

Seriously have misjudged how little anyone else gives a stuff??? NHS, social care, state education, public transport, bloody potholes everywhere - that’s what matters to everyone I know.
Not whether or not VAT is added to a business.

YANBU - it’s hardly the end of the world if Clemmie or Charles end up going to a state school. We have bigger things to worry about in the U.K. right now

YABU - of course everyone cares private school parents might have to pay more

I think the private schools help the community and open up their facilities for state schools like their swimming pool for instance

Do you really think the ASI has any credibility at all . Do you even know who they are?

All sectors of staff state schools are desperate for.

If there’s nothing wrong with state schools why do you need to dismantle private schools?

if you think it’s “who you know” that gives you a leg up, that’s clearly not going to change because a child is in a different blazer.

1. they will have the same parents with the same contact
2. state schools will just divide into rich and poor ones - it is pretty simple 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes I do and yes they do.

Scaremongering a go go 😂

You don't seem to understand much about your average independent school if you don't mind me saying.

The old boy network you speak of is not really present in your local independent school - you are talking about public schools and none of this will affect them.

Actually they earn 40 between them and take home 34k after tax and NI assuming no student loan

I doubt you will be laughing for long

Quite right.

Odd thread in many ways. Suffice to say few will be losing sleep over what may or may not happen regarding VAT on private school fees.

Meanwhile on the sinking ship in shit....

@Lilmaubetden

Amazing post - absolutely spot on. Race to the bottom, jealousy, entitlement etc. it’s a depressing read!

The state would rather sink the entire country than raise the bar in all schools!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/20/vat-private-schools-labour-low-income-kids-tax-bursaries

Thank you and I agree. It is depressing. But I also think it explains a lot about why this country is in the state it’s in.

But your anecdotal evidence is at odds with the various stats (potentially 26% HoL library). Of those 26% I'm sure the majority don't have 3 lots to pay and so it won't be anywhere near £10k for the vast majority.

Merely hyperbole.

I can afford the increase in fees, so it’s fine for me.

I feel extremely sorry for all the state school Turkeys on here voting for Christmas who think this unbelievably stupid idea isn’t going to impact their children’s state schools.

I suspect this will never actually come to fruition though, because SOMEONE in the Labour Party will surely crunch the numbers at some point and realise how fucking stupid it is.

@Beansticks state schools are struggling to get people to do the low paid jobs like cleaners, admin, TAs, premises team. Not because there aren’t enough people in the market, but because no-one wants to do the low paid job. Again these people aren’t going to rush to state schools. Also state schools are having to reduce the number of these roles due to lack of funding

Socialism always wants to pull everyone down to the lowest possible denominator. Sadly the current Tory party has led to our current very very high tax Government with a huge state and massive taxes which particularly hits hard working young professional parents who have been hit by a raft of changes from 9% student loan "tax", to no child benefit, no single person's tax allowance and very high marginal rates of tax as a result, huge extra costs if they employ full time childcare due to paying their own tax and NI, the childcarer's tax and NI and the employer NI and the employee's pension and employer pension contribution (or very high full time nursery costs) and none of the 30 free hours thing that goes to the lower paid. Add 20% x 20k x 2 children on top - extra £8k a year out of after tax income - say £15k income needed and that is getting very unfair on these higher paid professionals.

If anyone is unsure how to vote in July, vote Conservative or whatever vote in your area will keep Labour out.

It’s not hyperbole, I’m telling you what it’s like anecdotally at my son’s school. It’s quite hard to unpack statistics on this, because they are nigh on impossible to collate. People aren’t going to know how they actually feel about this and what schools will have to close etc until we are in it and people are faced with bills and schools are faced with people leaving.

I hope private schools can do things like higher class sizes (if everyone is bright a bigger class size is not a big deal and can mean more ideas are exchanged); reduce facilities; remove bursary children from the school and thus not pass on all the net VAT costs.

The estimate of the impact is not really about private schools, the best will survive and become even more powerful. The issue is the impact on the state sector. The truth is working class kids will stand even less chance of a good school place, will be overlooked in huge school classes with overworked, overstretched teachers fending off private school parents. The kids Starmer is trying to ‘help’ will undoubtedly suffer the most.

Actually they earn almost £24k each based on a 40 hour week at the current rate of £11.44 per hour.

Rather depends on whether you trust the IFS report or the rather more invested ASI doesn't it.

Anecdotal evidence based on gossipy assessments of your children's friends parents finances are neither here nor there.

Dc school actually has better results than our closest private school.

State schools don't divide into rich and poor. This simply won't happen. There are council estates everywhere. And new estates have affordable housing. School catchments are unlikely to not cover some of these unless in small affluent villages.

Also you must be a right snob to think that parents choose a school purely on the basis of how rich other pupils are, or that the best schools only have rich peoples kids in.

There are plenty of good and outstanding schools in rough areas with rough intakes and mixed areas too.