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To think that those private school parents banging on about their fees

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Thegreatergoodgerald · 23/05/2024 11:23

Seriously have misjudged how little anyone else gives a stuff??? NHS, social care, state education, public transport, bloody potholes everywhere - that’s what matters to everyone I know.
Not whether or not VAT is added to a business.

YANBU - it’s hardly the end of the world if Clemmie or Charles end up going to a state school. We have bigger things to worry about in the U.K. right now

YABU - of course everyone cares private school parents might have to pay more

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Tospyornottospy · 23/05/2024 20:39

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:21

But they won’t because the vast majority of fee paying parents are either parents of foreign students or well able to pay a bit of VAT.

People on this thread sound like they have never even met a private school parent; some of these comments are just wildly inaccurate it’s insane

Polishedshoesalways · 23/05/2024 20:39

VaccineSticker · 23/05/2024 20:38

Gg

Edited

And pay for

HRTQueen · 23/05/2024 20:39

twistyizzy · 23/05/2024 20:29

Again please can you show me evidence of "hardly any" families have got that to spare.
It has been done to death ie savings/1 parent working purely to pay for fees etc etc

If you really do not understand that very very few people would have £15k to spend on school fees you really really are out of touch

maybe not in the world of MN or the small insulated world of private schooling but you only need to read up on how many families now receive top up benefits, the countless reports on how even those that are earning above average wages are now struggling and how the economy suffered as people do not have money to spend

good grief where have you been these last few years

SofaThrow · 23/05/2024 20:39

sheoaouhra · 23/05/2024 20:35

no, completely normal - I and many of my colleagues have worked in private in the past, but prefer state - better pay and conditions, as I said. Not that I wouldn't consider private again if the right job came up. Most teachers would consider either, when job hunting

No - in my experience, state to independent is quite common but not really the other way around. I have not come across one single teacher who has gone the other way. Also, my pay was better in the independent sector and the working environment was a world apart from the state schools I taught in.

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/05/2024 20:39

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:27

😂😂😂😂Even the Tories recognise the impact of the CofL.

Hardly any families have a spare £15k after bills have been paid.

You really dont get it do you.

It's the lack of awareness that is mind blowing.

It's not a great advert for private education tbf.

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:40

Polishedshoesalways · 23/05/2024 20:38

Where on earth are you reading ‘most’ wiill stay? That’s simply not the case.

And you speak for all parents?🙄

twistyizzy · 23/05/2024 20:40

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:37

Most of which will stay. 5 or 10% of 500,000 is a drop in the ocean across the uk.

That the state will have to pay for

florasl · 23/05/2024 20:40

When we get to senior school for three children the extra 20% will be £18,000 per year but we would need to earn an extra £45,000 to fund that. We have plans to meet that cost but we are incredibly lucky to just manage that and certainly am not looking for any sympathy. Other parents we’ve talked to are going to move into the next town to grammar school catchment.

Our prep school has a nearly perfect 11+ pass rate so there is a strong possibility they’ll be taking places from children who don’t have that intensive support behind them.

Equally, the government fund nearly 11,000 boarding school places for military children so they’ll be paying an extra 20% for all of those too!

Charlie2121 · 23/05/2024 20:40

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:32

The average household income is £35k before taxes. £15k from that for one child leaves next to nothing to pay rocketing rent/ mortgages, food, bills etc.

2 parents working FT in minimum wage jobs earn nearly 50k between them and pay almost no income tax.

SofaThrow · 23/05/2024 20:41

Tospyornottospy · 23/05/2024 20:36

But how does penalising private schools help with any of that?

the private school system is taking care of itself. People should just leave it the fuck alone. Don’t open a can of worms/set up some sort of unpredictable situation that could worsen what’s going on elsewhere.

This.

Tospyornottospy · 23/05/2024 20:41

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/05/2024 20:22

I just feel that you really have to be so far removed from the reality of life for the majority of the country to not understand the level of privilege to be able to send 3 children to private school.

It's more than most households have to live on.

The disconnect is very real.

No, I’m not saying someone who sends 3 children to school isn’t comparatively well off.

please check your comprehension.

I am saying that they won’t be able to pay the VAT increase and will move to state. That’s what I estimate half the children in my son’s year will do.

I am addressing the myriad of insane posts on here who think people can just suck up another 10k a year because they send their children to private school already. No, they can’t.

twistyizzy · 23/05/2024 20:41

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:40

And you speak for all parents?🙄

Well more than you do because it is apparent you have no idea who an average private parent is. Do you actually know any?

Polishedshoesalways · 23/05/2024 20:41

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:40

And you speak for all parents?🙄

You can’t even manage the maths. £65 million is a huge bill for the taxpayer to be lumbered with.

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/05/2024 20:41

Tospyornottospy · 23/05/2024 20:39

People on this thread sound like they have never even met a private school parent; some of these comments are just wildly inaccurate it’s insane

By far the most insane one was that most people haven't been affected by the COL crisis. It did me me chuckle.

Polishedshoesalways · 23/05/2024 20:43

It’s the same old, same old. Private school parents are not GPS or dentists or normal working parents, they are in the small minds of many billionaires able to absorb any amount of taxes lumped on them. No wonder they are leaving in droves!

Tospyornottospy · 23/05/2024 20:43

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:38

Private education should absolutely not be left alone. More needs to be done to sort the huge inequalities it causes.

it’s pathetic that you want to sort out inequalities by fucking with the private schools. My immediate thought would be to improve the state schools to make things more equal. Sad.

suburburban · 23/05/2024 20:44

Ooh they will, be taking up places in the good state schools so making it more difficult for those who can't afford private schools and end up going to a rubbish state school as the private school parents may live img old catchment areas

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:44

VaccineSticker · 23/05/2024 20:38

Gg

Edited

“Assuming this tiny percentage is 1% of 500,000 that will leave the private school sector.
That is an extra 50k students (at the very least) that you will need to find places for.”

1% of 500 000 is 5000 not 50k

suburburban · 23/05/2024 20:44

In good catchment areas or move there

SofaThrow · 23/05/2024 20:45

Onemoreterm · 23/05/2024 20:27

If indies close people also lose jobs. Not just teachers but DT technicians, theatre technicians, cleaners, premises teams, office support staff, kitchen staff etc.

I hope people feel sorry for those who will be made unemployed as a result of the closures. It is not like the local state schools will automatically employ them.

Yes - this will hit working class people on minimum wages - but that's ok because we get to have a pop at some poshos. It's actually embarrassing.

twistyizzy · 23/05/2024 20:45

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:44

“Assuming this tiny percentage is 1% of 500,000 that will leave the private school sector.
That is an extra 50k students (at the very least) that you will need to find places for.”

1% of 500 000 is 5000 not 50k

The IFS estimate was 5%. The ASI and subsequent forecasts are between 7-10%

YouJustDoYou · 23/05/2024 20:45

The beauty of this "free" country is that you're (technically) allowed to complain about whatever you wish.

Beansticks · 23/05/2024 20:46

Tospyornottospy · 23/05/2024 20:43

it’s pathetic that you want to sort out inequalities by fucking with the private schools. My immediate thought would be to improve the state schools to make things more equal. Sad.

There is nothing wrong with state schools. Kids get the same results. Unfortunately the old boys network and other inequalities from private education ensure state kids are under represented in the top jobs and unis.

SofaThrow · 23/05/2024 20:46

Lilmaubetden · 23/05/2024 20:23

This thread and likely this labour government, cements in my mind what a race to the bottom the next four years is going to be.

It’s really no wonder that children in state schools are as poorly behaved as they are, if this is the mentality of the adults raising them. Entitled to think that everyone deserves to be at the same starting point, even if you haven’t worked for it.

People called ‘privileged’ as if to suggest that they were somehow gifted their good fortune in life and didn’t have to get to where they are based on their own merit.

What happened to aspirational goals? Working hard beyond just a physical daily grind…putting study and training before socialising, fake friendships and being the coolest in the class? Aiming to pull yourself out of deprivation and onto the next rung of the ladder.

It’s no wonder children are as entitled as they are. Give me. I want. You can’t make me.

And these ‘privileged’ aren’t even the ones people are really mad at. They aren’t the ones born into wealth. Those really wealthy, well they can never be touched. So in the meantime, we’ll just bring everyone down.

It’ll get to the point where people will be quite within their rights to say, what’s the point in bothering.

👏

Polishedshoesalways · 23/05/2024 20:46

The best state school places will be hoovered up. Education will nosedive across the board, the state teachers already holding on by their fingernails will evaporate and things WILL be even worse for most kids than it was before.

I can not see any upside up this ridiculous virtue signalling from Starmer to shut down his hard liners on the far left.

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