To think that those private school parents banging on about their fees

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Seriously have misjudged how little anyone else gives a stuff??? NHS, social care, state education, public transport, bloody potholes everywhere - that’s what matters to everyone I know.
Not whether or not VAT is added to a business.

YANBU - it’s hardly the end of the world if Clemmie or Charles end up going to a state school. We have bigger things to worry about in the U.K. right now

YABU - of course everyone cares private school parents might have to pay more

That’s a zero sum though as any who did move over will only be proportionate to the number of pupils transferring.

Regardless of that Labour is claiming they’re going to recruit 6500 teachers separately so teachers transferring from PS is not a stated aim of the policy.

It remains there isn’t a single winner from this policy. It is quite a frightening prospect to be on the brink of having to suffer a government who believes that policies with no resultant beneficiaries is desirable.

And if schools do close and the policy is regarded as mistake back tracking won't help. It takes so much to set up a private school, they won't just pop back into being.

There is a little private school near us where I did some supply work a long time ago. About 3 kids in each class were funded by the local authority because their special needs plans said they had to be taught in small groups and the state schools locally could not accomodate them (it (state school) did accomodate lots of children on such plans, but there were so many needing tiny group teaching it could not accomdate them all). This will be true in quite a few private schools - they're not all Eton and Harrow. Most of the children in the school were from working class backgrounds, many were not white. Their parents ran small businesses and felt they were doing the best for their children.

If this school closes, and well it might, then all the kids including the ones with special needs will to go else where. My husband has been into the nearest sate school also as supply. It is over-subscribed and under-staffed.

Many of the teachers from the private schools will not just move across to state schools to fill the gaps. For many it will be the last straw. We already have a teacher shortage. If we want to make it worse, this is the way to go about it. It is just petty.

There are some people who I’d willingly pay to leave @whistleblower99. The extra £0.00000001 income tax I’d pay to compensate for the loss of their tax would be well spent.

Have you got actual evidence of this? Have you read any of the thread as it is filled with lots of parebts who aren't "well able" to pay VAT

well, no, because private schools often have a higher staff to pupil ration than state schools, so closing a private schools will release proportionally more teachers than students.

That is 86% of school catchments as 86% of schools are good or above. Most families were priced out of those areas yonks ago. It’s the same set of parents squabbling over £500 properties .

This thread and likely this labour government, cements in my mind what a race to the bottom the next four years is going to be.

It’s really no wonder that children in state schools are as poorly behaved as they are, if this is the mentality of the adults raising them. Entitled to think that everyone deserves to be at the same starting point, even if you haven’t worked for it.

People called ‘privileged’ as if to suggest that they were somehow gifted their good fortune in life and didn’t have to get to where they are based on their own merit.

What happened to aspirational goals? Working hard beyond just a physical daily grind…putting study and training before socialising, fake friendships and being the coolest in the class? Aiming to pull yourself out of deprivation and onto the next rung of the ladder.

It’s no wonder children are as entitled as they are. Give me. I want. You can’t make me.

And these ‘privileged’ aren’t even the ones people are really mad at. They aren’t the ones born into wealth. Those really wealthy, well they can never be touched. So in the meantime, we’ll just bring everyone down.

It’ll get to the point where people will be quite within their rights to say, what’s the point in bothering.

Disagree. Reality of whose life? What majority?

the majority of people aren’t struggling at all with CoL.

More than MOST households have to live on? what an utterly ridiculous statement.

lots of private school teachers will work in state schools, lots of teachers switch between the tow regularly throughout their career, lots of state schools have better pay and conditions than private schools. Some might not, but many will

There isn’t a psychiatrist, no.

Oh you mean the same one or two well heeled MNers posting on these private school threads ad nauseum. You do realise MN isn’t real life!

They aren't going to be able to force out people who already live there. If it has an impact it will not be for years and it will mean that state schools further away get better. A lot of the time good schools are down to the parents of the children at those schools.

If indies close people also lose jobs. Not just teachers but DT technicians, theatre technicians, cleaners, premises teams, office support staff, kitchen staff etc.

I hope people feel sorry for those who will be made unemployed as a result of the closures. It is not like the local state schools will automatically employ them.

Problem is though they will; straw and camel’s back. Net contributers who are generally high earners who work on PAYE - not the rich. They are leaving and taking their skills with them. Good luck to the country: a majority of state dependence will need it. Can’t stand either of the main parties. They are turning it into a third world country. Any skilled talent and decent opportunity is leaving the room. Too many poorly skilled people who think the state owes them everything. Too many billionaires not paying their share. The skilled are leaving. The ones who fund everyone else. So I can’t wait to see where all the money is coming from. This policy is bollocks. I don’t have children in private school but I can see it for the poorly thought out bait it is.

There’s many posts on here saying why the policy doesn’t stack up

It’s not even just from pp who will pay. It’s more the economic logic in question

😂😂😂😂Even the Tories recognise the impact of the CofL.

Hardly any families have a spare £15k after bills have been paid.

You really dont get it do you.

I am one of those. How do you know my economic status or whether I am well heeled from an anonymous forum? You are just using lazy stereotypes and assumptions

You're right of course. It always amazes me that the people most keen on non-selective state education are usually the ones living the catchment areas of the best state schools. Or sending their kids to state grammar schools whilst saying things like, "We don't agree with the 11+ really but what can you do?". There's a lot of two-faced attitudes over schooling when money/house price/catchment area is the real factor in the two levels of education in this country not private schooling.

Many private schools offer hefty discounts for teachers children, 50% upwards. There needs to a massive incentive to move to the state sector away from private even if they do end up paying VAT.

Make sure you do then.

No it’s the same posters doing the same incorrect scaremongering. Many many posts illustrating why. And look at the vote scores.

This. What an absolute hole of a country.

Again please can you show me evidence of "hardly any" families have got that to spare.
It has been done to death ie savings/1 parent working purely to pay for fees etc etc

Nor is it true that the teachers will want to work in the state sector. They might just leave teaching. Many will. All teaching is stressful, why up your stress with bigger classes and potentially worse behaviour?

Small number??? Are you actually kidding?