To think that those private school parents banging on about their fees

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Seriously have misjudged how little anyone else gives a stuff??? NHS, social care, state education, public transport, bloody potholes everywhere - that’s what matters to everyone I know.
Not whether or not VAT is added to a business.

YANBU - it’s hardly the end of the world if Clemmie or Charles end up going to a state school. We have bigger things to worry about in the U.K. right now

YABU - of course everyone cares private school parents might have to pay more

@NeverDropYourMooncup Is correct, birth rates are falling and where I live - a vibrant town in SE popular with families, our DD's school's Year R and Year 1 classes are all short by approx five students. We moved our DD v early in year R and were delighted/relieved that the school we moved her too had not just one place, but 6. This is a school that is historically oversubscribed.

I'm the squeezed middle @OhCrumbsWhereNow - although my children attend state schools. I can't lose sleep over privileged people losing privileges when they have been propping up a system that disadvantages every child that goes to state school. Private schools are not charities. So yeah, tiny violins.

A couple of schools have closed around here too - same happened. I doubt this will be the same once VAT is introduced. Most families I know have 2 children so it's a huge bill.

Yes but almost all state school children will have no option so it is not at all satisfactory to argue that private school is the answer. Equally, never seeing that behaviour in a school context makes you wrongly believe everyone in the world is reasonable and if they are not there will be applied consequences that solve the problem for you. Discovering in adult life that this is not the case at all makes those teenagers quite vulnerable.

YABVU. Just because it doesn’t affect you and your kids doesn’t mean you shouldn’t give a fuck about anyone elses. It’s wrong on all levels. I cannot stand labour for the first time in my life, not solely for this reason.

It’s always prescribed by the paediatric team who diagnosed them in the first place here. Then, when the dose is established, it can be overseen by the GP if they are happy to do so. None of the many pupils I know with ADHD have seen a psychiatrist.

Well quite a lot are exactly that - charities...

Can't say that I feel that my state-educated child has been disadvantaged in any way by the existence of private schools.

In fact their very existence means DD can now play the 'state educated' card for the rest of her life.

I work bloody hard as does my DH. We also have an adopted child who struggles in mainstream education.

My DC would benefit from smaller class sizes and a quieter environment but private school is totally out of our reach. We don't have takeaways and holidays as it is, it wouldn't be a matter of cutting back to make it affordable.

For every one child with SEN in private education, there is a much greater cohort of kids with SEN struggling in mainstream.

They are all just kids and they all deserve an education that can meet their needs. Not just the ones that have parents who can afford it.

Oh also, my daughter has been attacked twice in her state pre school by feral, dragged up children who’s parents can barely scrape their arses off the sofa to get them to school never mind actually parent them. I guarantee this won’t happen in her private school commencing in September.

yes I’m aware this isn’t all state school children and I do not mean to tar anybody with the same brush. But the general difference in upbringings in private and state is ALARMING. It’s genuinely a safety concern at this point. As mentioned upthread about a teacher of 25 years.

No, this is wrong.

if someone is sacrificing to send 3
Children then no, they can’t just cough up another 10k a year. They simply don’t have it.

it’s not hard to understand!

it’s so depressing, politics of dragging people down instead of lifting people up. Why aren’t the govt giving a shit about fixing the dreadful behaviour in state schools? Why not focus on that? Making state schools better, rather than some misguided Robin Hood robbing from the perceived rich (because the actually rich won’t be affected at all) to give to the poor. Why not fucking help the poor, govt?! Why not address why the state schools are failing?!

Here the GP will only take over prescribing if you see the psychiatrist every 6 months. And any increases or changes have to be done via them so it may be more often than 6 monthly if there are issues.

I can't think of anyone in my extended family or friends with ADHD children who doesn't have their meds done that way.

Is there perhaps a psychiatrist on the paediatric team?

Perfectly put.

Exactly

But it's also sweeping statements like this that are quite frankly ignorant. Clearly there may be difficulties in certain areas but exclusions are running at 0.04. It's hardly bedlam.

It's so subjective but I struggle with everyone banging on about how their 1.5k mortgage has gone up to 2.5k now. Should have bought a smaller house and not done that kitchen renovation. (Is what I want to say)

That's a really tricky situation for your family ! (Is what I actually say)

Fair enough however FOI is revealing more areas across the country where LAs are saying they have no spaces eg Glamorgan, Leeds are the 2 newest.

It will benefit state schools by increasing the pool of applicants for jobs - currently we have zero applicants for some vacancies!

Schools aren’t failing. Children are under huge pressures( SM, screen addiction, col, broken mental health support, dire curriculum the Tories introduced , SEN underfunding….)which the Tories have done zilch about.

Labours idea of a MH professional in every school is a good start.

Omg this. The house prices will go up even more in good catchments. That little extra that isn't going on private school will go on the houses next to the good schools pushing others into the less desirable schools and areas. It's not rocket science.

Free access to facilities for local state schools is not a legal requirement for charitable status.

Charities, including schools, have to demonstrate public benefit. They have very wide discretion on how they go about doing that.

You’ll give a stuff if they take their taxes and work abilities elsewhere. The taxes that pay for your welfare state.

It’s just a ploy to get votes.
I’m doubtful “they” will actually start charging VAT. There’s a lot to un-wind with charitable status & if they do the result just might be private education gets more elite and state more overburdened and not preparing UK youth for success. Economy tanks long term.
Also
Finding it small-minded that people think only Tory’s have money enough for private school.

So anyone not Tory is poor and doesn’t value education??

They won't be able to cope with 20% fee increase twice over as they aren't landed gentry, just a couple of Dads that put every spare penny into their children's school fees.

And many families who aren't the landed gentry and who put every spare penny into staying afloat....

Your point is lost because you don't have one.

But they won’t because the vast majority of fee paying parents are either parents of foreign students or well able to pay a bit of VAT.

GPs generally only take over prescribing under shared care agreements - this means they will prescribe but the person is seen by a specialist at fixed periods of time to review and adjust medication (usually 6 months but can vary).

In the case of paediatrics, the specialist can be a psychiatrist or a paediatrician and, more recently, non-medical prescribers such as pharmacists and nurses are also specialising in the field. Each shared care document will stipulate who the GP will take on the prescribing from and the majority of GPs will also only accept a NHS specialist.

I just feel that you really have to be so far removed from the reality of life for the majority of the country to not understand the level of privilege to be able to send 3 children to private school.

It's more than most households have to live on.

The disconnect is very real.