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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

They did not as it is not a convenient subject!!

I can see Labour getting in via the back door with a coalition partner.
I can imagine Mr Putin rubbing his hands with glee
I can imagine the unions having daily parties
I can see Anglea Rayner and gang dancing and singing
in anticipation of booting out Kieth Starmer and taking the seat a PM
I can feel our once great nation going down the toilet pan
:(

I quite agree

I can see Labour getting in via the back door with a coalition partner.
I can imagine Mr Putin rubbing his hands with glee
I can imagine the unions having daily parties
I can see Anglea Rayner and gang dancing and singing
in anticipation of booting out Kieth Starmer and taking the seat a PM
I can feel our once great nation going down the toilet pan

Your crystal ball is malfunctioning.
And by the way, I think I've told you this at least three times now: getting in with a coalition partner (which is not going to happen) is a legitimate outcome of an election and not 'by the back door'. Hope you're starting to get it now.

Why can't you spell Keir Starmer's name? It's not difficult.

Me too.

I can see Labour getting in via the back door with a coalition partner.

You keep saying this. It does show you up.

I have to ask this question too. Why on earth do you keep saying KIETH STARMER? It's really weird! Are you doing it deliberately because you don't like KEIR STARMER/don't like Labour?

I wonder if the Conservatives welcome this kind of nonsense from their 'supporters' or if Labour comms are just having a bit of fun.

I think it's supposed to be derogatory and yet so funny. The spelling mistake is what makes it funny though!

I don't think it's funny though. And it's especially not funny, as it's the 113th time that poster has done it. It's just attention-seeking and a bit boring.

I do hope it’s the latter.

@SwingingPonytail

That is a standard joke that's been doing the rounds with every treasury leaving that note since after the war. Jeus, after 24 years, I can't believe people don't know this

www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2023/07/liam-byrne-labour-apology-no-money-note

keffie12
That is a standard joke that's been doing the rounds with every treasury leaving that note since after the war.

Nonsense - the Guardian could only come up with one or two relevant examples. Maudling's note wasn't even a note - he spoke to Callaghan in person.

I agree. I just find the fact that the OP can't even spell Keith quite funny.

Rubbish.

I cite the autobiography of my noble friend Lord Callaghan of Cardiff. Writing about the first day that he was in office as Chancellor, he says:

"I was sitting at what had been Reggie Maudling's desk in the ground-floor study at 11 Downing Street. While I was reading the briefs which Treasury officials had prepared against the possibility of a Labour victory, he was in the upstairs flat with his wife, packing their belongings. On his way out, he put his head round the door, carrying a pile of suits over his arm. His comment was typical: 'Sorry, old cock, to leave it in this shape. I suggested to Alec this morning that perhaps we should put up the bank rate but he thought that he ought to leave it all to you."

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199798/ldhansrd/vo970514/text/70514-02.htm

TBH, it could be the Liberals or possibly the Greens party!!

It’s still a Treasury tradition. No matter how much you try to rewrite history.

Tradition to leave a note sometimes - perhaps, although as pp said not in Maudling’s case. And certainly not always as ridiculously ill advised as Byrnes’.

Plenty of money left;

Alistair Darling admitted that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the six-year squeeze lasting until 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2023/04/conservative-obsession-afraid-no-money-note-says-labour

Here you go @Clavinova this puts it in perspective.

It will be the Conservatives turn soon to leave a note, or maybe they would prefer to leave a WhatsApp

I can only read some of your link;

Leaving the Treasury after Labour’s victory in the 1964 election, the outgoing Tory chancellor Reginald Maudling wrote a note for his replacement

It wasn't a note according to the extract I quoted.

Callaghan thought he meant the office, not the economy

Why did he think that if Maudling talked about putting up the bank rate?

"His comment was typical: 'Sorry, old cock, to leave it in this shape. I suggested to Alec this morning that perhaps we should put up the bank rate but he thought that he ought to leave it all to you."

As has been suggested previously - the Conservative are going to need a bigger note.

No idea why you can't read it. If you did read it you would see that there is some discrepancy over whether it was a note or a verbal message left by Maudling. However if that's your main take home then you're missing the point.

Maybe try harder and you'll see the point of the article I posted and won't need to get so hung up on this issue any more, at the risk of looking a bit out of touch.

Rather than typing "bullshit", simple research would have confirmed that the post is correct. The following is from Wiki, and is true.

"In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%. In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the top rate on investment income to 98%, the highest permanent rate since the war. This applied to incomes over £20,000 (£263,269 as of 2023)."