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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Knew you were a Tory

@Dibblydoodahdah I said it was ambiguous because most would not have realised as so few were impacted by 80% rates. And of course PAYE is just one part of tax sone of us pay.

Wages for most have been suppressed and a higher proportion of what value our economy creates has flown to a small group of the most wealthy. Its not really about this or that percentage of tax, wealth distribution is fucked

Agree, wages are pretty crap in this country.

Where did anyone say that it applied to the masses?! I actually shared a link of all the rates that applied in the 70’s. I think that people on minimum wage would be horrified if the basic rate was increased to 35% now…but that was the basic rate for a period of time in the 70’s.

Well given that most people know that the 45% rate is only paid by a small percentage of taxpayers now I would presume that they would understand that the top rate wasn’t paid by the majority back then. In any event I shared a link to all the rates from the 70’s.

You’re missing the point. The VAT policy will do nothing to help the children you refer to and harm others in the process. And it won’t be the most privileged that will be impacted. It won’t impact the genuniely “rich” or “elite”.

Why is it an issue that is doesn’t impact the true elite? The argument seems very much that the eliteness was fine but now that some are pushed out of that group it’s a bad thing?

I don’t think it will raise much money, for one I don’t think it will impact many but perhaps it will help some dc. Posters are very passionate about it & schools performance is often linked to parental involvement & support so it would be good to have more of that passion.

No it’s true - we almost immigrated to Australia.

@llamarammma

I think you're right there was some change made to RTB but it still exists.

I think that people on minimum wage would be horrified if the basic rate was increased to 35% now…but that was the basic rate for a period of time in the 70’s.

But what about indirect taxes?

Well given that most people know that the 45% rate is only paid by a small percentage of taxpayers now I would presume that they would understand that the top rate wasn’t paid by the majority back then

I would think many have no idea there is a 45% tax rate and the issues re loss of personal tax relief for those earning over 100k.

@Noras the tax rates were stated correctly in 1970s.

I don't see why saving the state money by sending DC to private school is seen as Bad, when the bigger issue regarding inequality in education is the alternative way of paying for a good education. Spending lots of money for a house near a better state school (which prices less well-off families away from those schools).

Add in NI and take a deep breath be under no illusion we are paying a lot of tax

You need to read how the money is spent

ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/what-does-government-spend-money#:~:text=Two%2Dthirds%20of%20spending%20is%20on%20public%20services,-The%20total%20amount&text=Around%20two%2Dthirds%20of%20the,credit%20and%20the%20state%20pension.

So much more on health than anything else education we are a sick nation

And we need to pay more as there isn’t enough

You were the one that mentioned impacting the most privileged per cent…but it won’t impact them. That was the point I was making.

The idea that the parents of those leaving the private system are going to improve school performance by their passion is ridiculous. If you believe that it won’t impact many why do you also believe that those who it will impact will be able to drive up school performance. Surely you would need large numbers to do that?!

It's a strawman argument though. The tax burden was nowhere near that high under the last Labour Government and there is no reason to think it would be again. So they have dug up the rates from the 70s to scaremonger. We can expect the Tories to fight dirty because a. their backs are to the wall and b. that's who they are.

But, again, the rate was higher than 35% for all of the 1940s, 50s and 60s (almost always over 40%)

The basic rate briefly fell to 30% in 1972, before (also briefly) going back up to 35%.

As one of the "Older People" who was out at work in the 1970s, I have to say I don't recall that.

What I do recall was the shambles that was the Heath government.

What's a fair tax?

You were the one that mentioned impacting the most privileged per cent…but it won’t impact them. That was the point I was making.

Where did I say that?

The idea that the parents of those leaving the private system are going to improve school performance by their passion is ridiculous. If you believe that it won’t impact many why do you also believe that those who it will impact will be able to drive up school performance. Surely you would need large numbers to do that?!

I don’t think many will be forced to leave the sector. But on here many think it’s a massive issue hence why I said perhaps.

Is this some shameless Tory shilling lol.

How relevant is a tax rate that happened half a century ago? A lot of people on here hadn't even born then 😂

This is irrelevant nonsense that has no bearing on the current political or economic climate.

You said “I’ll care about the most privileged percent of children in private education when a….”.

But it is not the most privileged per cent that will be impacted. They will be fine. I mean, I’m sure the Premiership footballer parent at my DS’ school will be fine…but the state school teacher parents maybe not. There’s a big difference in income there!

I think looking at where we have been is interesting and informative. Many do remember it or it was in living memory.

I'm just curious to know if we think the current system is considered fair

If you don’t think many will be forced to leave the sector then how do you also think they will be able to influence the improvement of state schools by their “passion”. Nonsensical!

I will celebrate the Tories getting kicked out. I’m going to spend the next 6 weeks trying to kid myself that Starmer won’t just govern as a one nation Tory type thing, but I know that he will. The Tories will be in again in 2035 if not before and nothing will have changed much at all. They’ll pick up where they left off.