All these weight loss drugs... surely we are heading towards disaster?

[shellswirl]

So as we all know there are various weight loss drugs that have become very popular in recent months.

It seems like the whole of Hollywood is using it.

Even regular people are spending huge amounts of money on it from online pharmacies.

I get that these drugs might be useful for certain people with real medical conditions, but really a lot of people are using it as a quick fix to be thin.

With no consideration to side effects or future health. And without thinking about what happens when you stop it?

Surely the best way to lose weight involves no drugs. No fad diets. But exercising more, moving more, eating a balanced diet. Retraining your brain and finding food and exercise you enjoy.

I say this as an overweight person too! Surely there are other ways.

If every other person is taking these drugs won't there be a huge pool of people to monitor side effects etc?

Aibu to say the whole thing makes me feel very uneasy.

Honestly I don't get it... if you need to commit to a lifestyle change when you stop it then that's the exact same thing as committing to a lifestyle change after weight watchers/slimming world/keto or whatever you decide to use.

And as we've established that is the bloody hard bit.

So in that case let's just say, I personally have success with intermittent fasting... I could just do that for 10 weeks... no side effects and save myself £100s and then "commit to a lifestyle change" when I get to goal?

Disclaimer: appreciate for some, the getting to goal bit is also tricky. Can see use for drugs of that is you. But others, like me, find dieting fairly simple but the long term maintenance is v challenging.

Remember Mounjaro is new in UK so most aren't at maintenance yet. Some providers have said they will cut at 25 bmi, some lower for certain ethic groups that are overweight at bmi 24/25.
US approach seems to be some sort of maintenance or tapering off dose. Suspect same will be rolled out here. It is in the manufacturers interests.
As with any diet you need to carry on making healthy choices at target weight to maintain. I can maintain and live in a way that suits me at 1600 cals a day, been doing that for a couple of years as that was supposed to be my cal deficit amount to lose.
The stats are very promising re weight re gain, much less likely to regain v traditional dieting - presumably as the medication has assisted underlying issues like insulin resistance.

Insulin resistance/issues spike hunger & it’s been proven the body conspires keeping you at a higher weight by burning fewer calories once your ‘thermostat’ is broken. ‘Mend’ this, level playing friend & no less wild animal hunger to scupper.

With all respect, over the course of the thread your objections have gone from ‘dangerous side effects’ to ‘people just want an easy fix and don’t want to put the work in’ to ‘if it’s not an easy fix and you still have to put work in what’s the point in taking it’, so it’s clear that nothing anyone says will change your mind. But that’s fine, because you don’t have to take it. All you need to know is that it’s working for lots of people where other things have failed, and people are reporting myriad health benefits from taking it.

@shellswirl gosh you don't give up even if people are supporting you.
So I m going to conclude you don't accept people need support or they are able to moderate after a huge weight loss. Do you enjoy attacking your own weightloss comraids? Are you looking for a fight or working in the media? You have lost my support, shame on you. Some are able to control their food intake, others are not. It's not rocket science. If you don't accept that, God help us.
I expect this in the daily fail.

As far as I see lots of people have pointed out the benefits of the drugs. I listened to the pros and the cons. Personal accounts. I even said in my previous post appreciate some people find they can't lose weight to even get to the maintenance stage and "the drug would be useful".

I went away, read up on it and agreed with several points that people made. I read some studies and news articles.

Then came back with more questions.

I've done nothing wrong other than taking a while longer to form an opinion about a complex issue and ask for more information, which other people have kindly provided.

You clearly did not read my post below where I said

"Disclaimer: appreciate for some, the getting to goal bit is also tricky."

The bit under that was meant to say "can see use of drugs is useful for them" but was littered with typos.

I feel no shame at all thanks. About posting in the AIBU section of a public forum where interesting discussion takes place. It's not a weight loss section. It's not a weight loss jab only forum as far as I recall.

Thank you to the people who are on it and posted about it on this thread, really informative and something I am now considering as I’ve struggled with my weight for years and pcos.

@shellswirl no you are now seeking to advance your opinion that you are right and will be proved so. I am really disappointed in you. You are not the oracle as I am not. Have some courtesy.

@Aurle Check out the Mounjaro threads on the weight loss forum. They're a friendly, balanced and knowledgeable bunch, and it seems quite a lot of people have decided to get prescribed mounjaro off the back of this thread. Obviously it's something you need to do your homework on, but the studies on this drug show so many good benefits.

@Mrsredlipstick I'm terribly sorry that I've disappointed a complete random stranger on the internet by holding an opinion that differs to theirs. I'll probably not sleep tonight. Ummm I'm not sure what you expect me to say. If you get that easily disappointed by a thread on a public forum then perhaps mumsnet is not for you. God help you if you meet folk with different opinions in real life.,

You clearly know me very well through the words I type here because you think it's ok to put words into my mouth.

Luckily this thread is nearly full so after a quick name change I'll be gone... unlike all this weight that I'll keep forever because I'm scared/unsure about injectable drugs.

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Just leaving this here…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13455353/Is-Ozempic-Miracle-jab-slashes-risks-deadly-kidney-disease-affects-three-million-Britons-experts-hail-effect-better-dared-hope.html?

@shellswirl i don't give a monkeys what you do next.
I think you are a low level anti sisterhood poster.
I offered a balanced view, you attacked people who wanted to tell you it's life changing for them.
I assume you have skin in the game for diet options?
Don't aim your bile at me. Do you support personal choice,? I doubt it.
So please don't reference me again.

Recent data on sustaining weight loss:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/wegovy-weight-loss-sustained-four-years-trial-novo-nordisk-says-2024-05-13/

Great find @Babadoobiedoo Hopefully more people wandering past this thread will feel reassured and investigate getting this type of support if they’ve struggled using the traditional approach to weight loss. 👍

Since this thread is drawing to a close I’ll just reiterate that Mounjaro is great. I’ve not been this light for nine years.

What the hell is anti sisterhood?! Should all women have the same opinion. No thanks. What a strange thing to say.

This was my post - nobody forced anyone to read or post.

I thank the OTHER people that did take time to debate with me, wish me well, post study results, offer personal stories etc. all very interesting even if my overall opinion is still it's not for me. And I'm still not sure of it from a society/long term perspective.

Disclaimer: appreciate it might be for others for a variety of reasons. Gotta say that so all these people that feel personally attacked don't get even more angry

@shellswirl keep being overweight and bitter while either some of us are slim "naturally" or will become slim thanks to semaglutide. I found you petty and unable to listen to scientific arguments (I don't believe you have a degree in biochemistry sorry). Thanks to people who provided results of medical studies rather than simply worry about non existent side effects (some exist but not many others)

Well I do have a biochemistry degree. Umm shall I start telling you about amino acids to prove it. Literally don't care what you "believe". You are a random on internet.

Show me the study that says the side effects are "non existent"... waiting

@shellswirl you are one angry person.
I supported the theory that dieting could work without medication until you decided I was not in your camp.
You have a very blinked view of personal choice. I asked the question are you in the diet game as a profession? You didn't answer.
So I suggest you have your answer, many people find these medications helpful. You don't see the need, good for you.
Stop trying to shame other women by saying they are storing up problems for later.
FYI non sisterhood is belittling other women for their choices.

Show me the study that says the side effects are "non existent"... waiting

No one has suggested the side effects are non existent.

Bye!