Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

Hysterical, you are talking about Brighton,one of ( if not the) most busiest, nomadic seaside towns in the UK and one of the most expensive around. I bet many of the university students settle down there, I know many Deaf people who live there as originally they went to the 2 boarding schools for the Deaf, plus the huge lbgtq+ community there....very few of these are originally locals. Brighton has been expensive for years. I realy thought you were talking about a remote little village.
People can live where they like, believe it or not?.
Our younger generation of east Londoners are being priced out of areas, that their families have lived in for generations due to gentrification, our way of life has dramatically changed, even our accents. But, hey, that's life, areas shift, along with people.
So you are now looking for another area to live in, and becoming a pesky newcomer.
You literally couldn't make it up!

The Londoners are all about consuming rather than producing.

They want to live somewhere where they can consume art and music on tap, but they don't want to make any of it themselves. They just want to buy it.

wtaf am I reading here OP 🤣

fun fact: there’s 9,748,000 people in London

@Whothefuckdoesthat
I could have written that myself. In fact my post isn't that far off!
Every single thing you wrote, I see all the time.

Brighton isn't a dump. It's one of the few towns without boarded up shops. It's busy in the summer because it's a great place. It's the May festival right now, such a great atmosphere. People pay a lot to live there because it's unique, fun, tolerant and loads going on for everyone including families. If you don't like it stay where you are, you don't have to visit

I moved to London and really enjoy the welcoming nature of it. I've slowly become a Londoner, preferring the diverse community to the parochial and unfriendly small town that I grew up in.

That is awful, and I do think “hollowed out” is a great way to put it. I’m sure it’s a very emotional thing if it’s your town or you’re watching it happen.

I think “decimate” is just a very particular word. You could absolutely use “destroy” in reference to the type of destruction you’re talking about and have it be true and powerful. I think it’s that I’ve recently seen “decimate” used in reference to horrible loss of life (i.e. children in Gaza, which is just… hard to imagine and even worse, the phrase was “more than decimated”). I suppose that’s why, to me, it’s a bit important that it keeps its meaning, because sadly, decimation as loss of life is still happening in the world.

(Sorry didn’t mean to derail the thread, and definitely not saying the destruction of a community isn’t awful, because it is).

From Yorkshire myself it's bloody grim. Always raining. Anyone considering a move up north should climatise no further north than Peterborough. Only once they have proven they can handle the weather should they progress further with absolute caution as it only gets worse.

Are you a Londoner born and grew up there? I hear what you are saying but if you aren’t, how is that any different. DH and I were born and grew up in North, West and Southwest London but you couldn’t much to rent there for your money in mid 00s so came to Brighton. Brighton mid 00s was a very different place so I do know what you mean OP, but lots of the parents of my DC’s friends have come from London (they weren’t all Londoners though, some were from Manchester or Originally Europe and went via London) to buy up a period home for the price of their 2 bed flat in North London and yes, it certainly pushed up prices and it was difficult for us to buy our first flat but prices weren’t as inflated when we did this in late 00s. Many of the people who did that were priced out of London but not all of them, some just wanted to live in Brighton and happened to be well off. The worst thing about it is how many people there are here now, it is really noticeable on the beach in Hove.

Warning - there are also lots of "Londoners" in Bath

Also I love London and Londoners, they are very welcome in Brighton as is everyone

Have tpu considered that nearly all born and bred londoners also feel like this about Londin. The Londin communities are now almost nonexistent. All my chikdhood friends have been priced out. Our lively lkcal community pubs are now expensive gastro pubs, to do anything ona weekend means spending over 100 quid a head. No communty feel left. Most people I know born in london and suburbs have had to move further out as we cant buy property here at the current prices. Why not try and build a new community feel alongside the newcomers. They likely have moved to where you live to try and find that community feel again

They absolutely are and did like my DH and I or is being born and growing up in Camden and Wimbledon not proper London? It is known as London by the sea for a reason. Equally, my brother has stayed in North London and there is no way they would step foot in Hertfordshire!

The solutions relating to this centre around freeing up housing stock (and building more) so it’s easier and more affordable for people to live where they need to for work and family reasons.

Far too many of us are affected. We can’t easily stay in our home communities, be near family, or even work.

The whole situation is having all kinds of negative consequences, and it’s not the fault of individuals.

They really aren’t, loads of DCs friends’ parents had moved from London, Hackney was a favourite but a couple from North London and a posho from West London. Mine from the Home Counties, the Home Counties and Brighton is a completely different vibe. Home Counties is a sea of blue at election time, Brighton is a little bit of red and green, this says all you need to know about why Home Counties stay out in Reigate or Horsham!!

That said they only one of those parents was actually born in London like me as I am able to talk and reminisce about our teenage haunts!

Well no offence but you’re not a Londoner that was driven out of London then, you drove me out as I am a born an bred Londoner! I don’t really understand how you can be a Londoner if you weren’t born there.

*The Londoners are all about consuming rather than producing.

They want to live somewhere where they can consume art and music on tap, but they don't want to make any of it themselves. They just want to buy it.*

Unless ' artists' are living on fresh air and their own self congratulation, they need people to consume their art- people to listen to their music, buy their products and services etc.

The rats have moved down from London!

Ahh. Interesting. I thought it was because of many years of Tory rule and massive underfunding of all public services, including housing, public health and youth services…🙄

Well I live in Brighton and it has certainly changed from 20 years ago. It isn’t that people didn’t move from London before but there were more likeminded so it was more raw, edgy, definitely had a music vibe that was akin to Camden but the best way to describe the people who live here now is reflected in the work they do so more corporate jobs in Finance not creative work, more like the Home Counties commuters. I would commute to London in the mid 00s and you could get a seat but that isn’t guaranteed anymore. The people commuting were more likely to be in media, Architecture, design work not like now where people actually work in the City.

I don’t understand this attitude though, ‘Brighton has gone to the dogs’. Brighton has always had an edgy, slightly threatening vibe at the seaside part of town, read Brighton Rock or watch the film which depicts that underbelly of crime. That is the whole point, it wasn’t polished place like Camden didn’t use to be, the streets were definitely not paved with gold. My brother never moved out of north London but I don’t recognise that London at all when I visit him, it does feel like all poverty in that area which was an average place to live, with a schools like Grange Hill, not highly selective, all that has been pushed away and houses sitting empty, owners in another country, it’s so depressing.

@Goldenbear

The people commuting were more likely to be in media, Architecture, design work not like now where people actually work in the City.

How awful, having to rub along with people who actually work in the City. Nothing is sacred. The vibe is dead.

Arty vibe? Mate, it's Brighton - an overpriced shithole full of trustafarians with white dreads and harem pants and day drinkers. It didn't need Londoners to ruin it.

I was highlighting how it has changed, my brother works in the City but has stayed in London where we grew up, I don’t have an issue at all with that, I’m explaining how the makeup of the place has changed. My brother would never have moved to Brighton in the past precisely because of the vibe, he possibly wouldn’t feel out of place now. That said, he’s lucky enough not be a Londoner pushed out of London.

I don’t think the place is dead, if it was why are so many people moving down here.

I grew up on the South Coast and now live in London. What you want to do to avoid this is to come from a shithole no one wants to move to and move to a fairly ordinary suburb of South London no one has heard of.

No arty vibes but also no wankers.