Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

I get you, we have the same thing where we live. It’s getting crazy expensive and people are being pushed out by people moving mostly from London because it’s a pretty easy commute.

However I also really feel for them because in London the problem is the same but 10x crazier and the reason a lot of people move from there is because they are being pushed out too.

I think most people would like the freedom to afford to stay where they grew up, if they choose. Londoners included

Ask anyone this in Cornwall and they would tell you the same.

Creatives or part of the creative vampire industries?

I’ll give you ten grand if you can provide a practical definition of this.

Might it be that London is a fucking dump now.

Massively overpopulated, ridiculously expensive, full of crime and fucking filthy .

Majority of the indigenous fucked off a long time ago.

Such a shame. It used to be amazing. Loved growing up there in the 80s - it was a different place.

I’m reading this as a southerner who now lives up North. I don’t really have an opinion on any of it apart from its sounds absolutely exhausting moving somewhere and trying to contribute to the ‘vibe’ or even worrying about the ‘vibe’ 😂🤷‍♀️. Maybe that’s my tired uncool brain talking though. I also still want specific examples as well!

I imagine your people, in your vibe have settled down a bit, don’t go out as much, due to age, starting a family, COL increase etc. Can you try to get the young newcomers interested in your music?

It’s over the top to claim that.

If the new neighbours are nice and make the effort to be a part of the community, that’s great.

But at the same time, inflating the cost of housing and taking up the available housing stock can bring real world problems. Not just homelessness, it can also impact people who would ordinarily rely on family members living nearby for their care.

Bit of a huge generalisation?

I was almost certain it was Margate.

I suppose true born and bred Londoners feel the same towards the million (?) people that move to London from all over the country/world every year pricing all but the wealthiest Londoners out of the property market.

Well Brightoners started moving out of Brighton for the same reason and into Seaford where I used to live pushing up all the prices.
I've moved to the west country now. Its much better.

Waves at fellow Londoners! I was born in central London and still live in London now. The street on which I grew up used to be populated by Londoners doing ordinary jobs, such as tradesmen and clerks. Now it is populated by bankers, actors, a third property for someone with places in New York etc. and young flat sharers working in finance who pay more per month in rent than my parents paid for their house. DC lives in London but they are on a very good salary and have bought a flat rather than a house. Londoners share their city with people from all over the world. It’s a pity when others are more insular.

My grandparents lived and worked in London, the war came, they were both busy, nursing and clearing up post bombings. After the war they moved out to Essex. Granny missed the buzz and would take me up every time I visited. Grandad moaned about incomers in the 50s.

I wouldn’t bother coming up here to Birmingham.

Once the monstrosity that is the HS2 is complete, there’ll probably be a ton of people moving up towards here for cheaper housing and easy/quick access to London.

So you’ll have the same issue you’re complaining about all over again.

Swop “awful sauf east Landan” accents for “awful foreign accents” and this prejudice starts to sound a bit less acceptable.

How do you know the “older ones are so racist”? I imagine the awful Londoners have lived in a far more cosmopolitan melting pot than can be found in your small Devonshire village. Have you never noticed the threads by Black Mumsnetters worrying about how they are treated outside of the big cities?

Roof needs some work to keep it weatherproof? Unacceptable. Inefficient windows need to be updated? Absolutely not. Unless you moved there from Tiverton, then it’s okay. Doing home improvements on a house you’ve just bought is totally normal.

A lot of complaints on this thread sound like gate keeping to me. People who have found a nice place to live being annoyed that others might want to live there too. People who think some people who move out of London aren’t ‘naice’ enough and others who move out of London are too gauche.

Also, it’s a normal pattern of migration. Industrialisation led to thousands of people from the countryside flocking to cities. Now economics are putting pressure on people who live in London and they are moving out.

Many people can’t afford to live in London are being displaced, they in turn are displacing other people. It’s not the fault of the individual.

I know you’ve flounced now OP.. but just in case you’re still peeking. I’ve had a brainwave. Blackpool. They will totally welcome your search for a vibe. And it’s by the sea..

Bit different though. Cornwall like neither tourists or people moving there to live. In fact if Cornish people could, they would erect a large wall around the county. But would like the money lost from tourism paid as a grant by the government maybe. It seems a big issue lately for people to holiday or move anywhere outside where they live. Every single person who has a right to be in the UK has a right to move freely around the country.

My friend lived in Brighton 25 years ago..prices were rocketing, city folk were moving in.

Is this a zombie thread?

Move Op, Brighton is a dump outside the few nice streets. Lots of lovely places to live.

Funny thing is, I'm in an area where a lot of people move from Guildford and Brighton as it's more affordable with more space. So people like you, considering moving elsewhere, will have some sort of impact (some would view it as positive and some as negative) wherever you do end up.

Consider why people are leaving London, why people want to live in Brighton. What you love about Brighton. What if you end up altering the place you move to beyond all recognition?

I thought Brighton was always considered 'London on sea'. I haven't been down for years. It seems way too busy in summer and I'm not mad about the pebbled beach. Too expensive as well. So I'll stay in London. Lol. (Only bc I live in my mum's house!)
I can imagine how you feel though.
My BiL moved to Worthing a couple years back and is much happier than he was in Brighton. Maybe that's a good idea? Or another more 'up and coming' arty seaside town. My artist mate is from Leigh on Sea and I think it's a lot cheaper than Brighton.
I think they have quite a few people from the dreaded London there too though.
Sorry, there are quite a lot of us.

Mate, there’s arts and music on tap in London 🤣

Surely art should change over time and needs consumers?

Try Bath in Somerset. Lots of musicians and street artists there.

Brighton has gone to the dogs. In fact, most of the country has. One has to ask though what is driving them out of London and why you expect them to stay put? Most Londoners i know were never born in London. They moved their in their twenties, stayed for 15-20 years, have families and now need more space.
Also, the health and safety rules have changed. You have to have scaffolding up for any repairs over a certain height. Gone are the days when you call a man with a ladder to replace a slipped tile on your roof. All basic roof maintenance or house painting requires scaffolding now.
When i was in Brighton recently, I was surprised by how half of Essex was there for a day trip and night out.

I’m with you OP. Born and bred Brightonian and I don’t recognise it here now, and we can’t afford it. We are being priced out.

Reading more of this thread makes me think of the Mickey Flanagan stand up about leaving SE London on the train to Brighton.

"Get to Brighton and look down the hill, feel all the stresses and strains leave you... quite a lot of the ambition as well"