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To not like nicknames as full names?

210 replies

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 01:17

Some (secondary school aged) children in my family have nicknames as full names and as they grow older I feel the names suiting them less and less.

Some of the names,

Melly
Stevie
Bobby
Ali
Ricky

AIBU to think that naming children nicknames doesn't age well and that full names on the birth certificates are more fitting?

OP posts:
newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:44

@TheKeatingFive I have an opinion. The same way you have an opinion about me. Why do you care about me?

OP posts:
ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 18/05/2024 10:44

I have a Tom but Thomas on his birth certificate. He hates it when teachers etc call him Thomas

ThisNoisyTealLurker · 18/05/2024 10:45

DramaAlpaca · 18/05/2024 02:20

FFS, read the post! OP has clearly said Melly etc is on the birth certificate so not short for anything.

I tend to agree with OP, but I'm willing to accept I'm old fashioned. I like classic names, preferably short enough that they don't lend themselves to diminutives. That's what I did with my DC, anyway.

There's a trend these days for diminutives/short forms of names as given names. Note - they aren't nicknames, those are different and unrelated to actual names, like Ginger or Shorty or something. Diminutives, please.

I don't like the trend for diminutives personally. I mean, call him Freddie if you absolutely must but at least put the more dignified Frederick on the birth certificate.

But then I'm old and traditional, and I have to accept that naming styles change.

Chill your beans for Christ sake! The op was listing ‘shortened’ names and I imagine most people read ‘Melly’ and wondered what it would be short for.
posting anonymously on here is no excuse for being a dick.

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:47

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 18/05/2024 10:44

I have a Tom but Thomas on his birth certificate. He hates it when teachers etc call him Thomas

Some names have evolved to where the shortened versions are used more commonly than the original versions.

What I'm referring to, though, would be someone calling their Child Tommy not Tom or Thomas.

OP posts:
TheKeatingFive · 18/05/2024 10:51

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:44

@TheKeatingFive I have an opinion. The same way you have an opinion about me. Why do you care about me?

Your opinion is about something other people do that doesn't affect you in any way. I just think that's a bit strange to care enough to take the trouble to start a thread.

As another poster pointed out, people reading your post will have those names or have kids with those names.

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:54

Your opinion is about something other people do that doesn't affect you in any way. I just think that's a bit strange to care enough to take the trouble to start a thread.

Indeed. Humans have opinions on matters that don't affect them. If we just look at your comments as an example.

As another poster pointed out, people reading your post will have those names or have kids with those names.

Ok

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ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 18/05/2024 10:57

Kevin Bridges does a funny sketch about how, around 30, your childhood friends stop going by Jamesie, Malkie, Stevie, and become James, Marholm and Stephen

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:59

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 18/05/2024 10:57

Kevin Bridges does a funny sketch about how, around 30, your childhood friends stop going by Jamesie, Malkie, Stevie, and become James, Marholm and Stephen

I like him. I'll give it a watch. Thank you

OP posts:
tigger1001 · 18/05/2024 11:00

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:23

Just to reiterate, the names I am mentioning are "cutesy" forms.

Melly not Mel
Stevie not Steve
Bobby not Bob
Ali not Alex
Ricky not Rick

Tommy not Tom
Etc

Two completely different categories of names.

You can use a shortened version without it sounding child-like

Names are important. Humans judge. Often the first thing you ask upon meeting.

I would judge someone far more who felt it was acceptable to judge someone on their name. Says far more about them, than someone with a shortened name.

And that aside, when introducing yourself you introduce yourself by the name you want to be known as surely? So if you want to be called "Freddie" that's how you introduce yourself as? Not "well my birth certificate says Frederick but I prefer Freddie"

It's likely you will never know what someone's birth certificate states. I've been to 2 funerals recently, one a family member of my partners, who I only learned their formal name, as they had been known as something else their entire life.

Eggplant44 · 18/05/2024 11:05

Gillyyy · 18/05/2024 06:22

I think you have to take into account how much naming trends have changed. If you called your son Teddy now he would be in the same year as Kit, Hunter, Tilly, Freddie, Ronnie, Hattie, Luna, Milo - these will be the same people he’ll be up against for jobs. He would sound more different/out of place being called Richard or Robert. I recently went to a baby group and there was a baby called John which just seemed so strange now!

Depending on the job for which Teddy is applying, Richard or Robert might well be much less out of place.

sueelleker · 18/05/2024 11:11

I don't mind diminutives. The only problem I can see is teachers (or other officials) insisting that the child's name must be the long version. ("No, your name can't be Penny, it must be Penelope" -insinuating that the child is too stupid to know their own name)

sciencemama · 18/05/2024 11:22

Each to their own I have known people with nicknames names but it's their registered name
Ricky
Rich
Libby
Lizzie
Billy
Tom
Kate
Sam
Donnie

Immemorialelms · 18/05/2024 11:27

It's class isn't it. Having a longer name is a signifier of understanding of tradition, a certain kind of level of education and familiarity with old money, the culture of elites, etc etc. I guess I think it's bollocks but I want my children to have the option to look as if they know as many of the codes and cultures of power as possible, in case it helps them achieve more social power. And if they don't need it, great.

For that reason I'd never give a child a shortened name or miss out middle names.

There's also a subtle power in walking away from it, but only in the prescribed way and only with names from one layer, which have been posh diminutives for ages. So being a very posh girl called Daisy as a Christian name is OK but being called Ellie might not be.

Harry being the case in point. Plebs might think Harry is a real name. Prince Harry's name is Henry.

Immemorialelms · 18/05/2024 11:28

Just about acceptable these days... Polly, Molly, Daisy, Jack, Sam.

Tom, Milly, any of the diminutives of Robert, Edward, Nicholas, William - nopes.

Newly in fashion names- Luna, Harper, Milo - ok, weirdly!

ChildrenOfTheQuorn · 18/05/2024 11:35

My daughter has a 'proper' name on the birth certificate, and a day-to-day nickname. Her nickname is cute now while she's only little but I wouldn’t ever want her to be embarrassed at a later date. I think it's shortsighted not to give the child an option at a later date to go by either name...

CoffeeBeansGalore · 18/05/2024 11:48

I have a name which is frequently used as a shortened version of another name. People assume the longer name is my actual name.

I had issues in school of teachers calling me the long name. I had to ignore them and then point out they were not calling me, my name is xxx not yyyyyyyyy. I thought they were speaking to the girl called yyyyyyy (I went to school with numerous yyyyyyyy's).

I was discussing a contract over the phone & the woman said I need your full name, this is a legal contract. I replied that IS my full name. The "oh" after I said that was somewhat huffy. I think she had already put in what she assumed was my "full" name.

Also there are several spellings of how my name sounds.

It can be annoying. I do not like my name. I detest my middle name (an old but never popular one) so going with that was never an option.

LakeTiticaca · 18/05/2024 11:50

I must say I prefer the full names. Lots of little boys around called Teddy just now now, which is cute for a baby but why not Edward,? It's a good strong name and at least little Teddy will have a choice as he grows older.
My mother never liked names that could be shortened and named all of us with names that were difficult to shorten ( given the choice I would have been named Cleopatra 😅) my best friend was called Victoria, known as Vicky but my mother always called her Victoria. 40 years later we bumped into her in town and my mum said ",oh hello Vicky"
I nearly fainted with shock🤣🤣

Jeezitneverends · 18/05/2024 11:53

DramaAlpaca · 18/05/2024 02:20

FFS, read the post! OP has clearly said Melly etc is on the birth certificate so not short for anything.

I tend to agree with OP, but I'm willing to accept I'm old fashioned. I like classic names, preferably short enough that they don't lend themselves to diminutives. That's what I did with my DC, anyway.

There's a trend these days for diminutives/short forms of names as given names. Note - they aren't nicknames, those are different and unrelated to actual names, like Ginger or Shorty or something. Diminutives, please.

I don't like the trend for diminutives personally. I mean, call him Freddie if you absolutely must but at least put the more dignified Frederick on the birth certificate.

But then I'm old and traditional, and I have to accept that naming styles change.

I’m with you, use the full name and shorten it from birth if you like, but the full name gives the child options

protectthesmallones · 18/05/2024 12:01

I really agree, it drives me potty.

Over the years I've congratulated new parents and then I find out that this poor child has a diminutive name as his full name.

I've always bitten my tongue, it's not my place obviously.

But why do this to a child?

What sort of message does it give professionally. He can be called the shortened name in everyday life, just give him a proper name to begin with!

These parents are naming a cute baby, they aren't thinking about 30 years time when a qualified professional might want a proper name.

Oooohhhhh. Nice to finally be able to share my frustrations.

Nosleepforthismum · 18/05/2024 12:13

My mum used my full name as a marker of how mad she was and how much trouble I was in. I still think “oh shit” if she uses my full name now even though I’m married with two kids 😅

TheKeatingFive · 18/05/2024 12:17

What sort of message does it give professionally. He can be called the shortened name in everyday life, just give him a proper name to begin with!

I really don't understand this comment. There is absolutely zero issue with people being called Ali, Ricky or Bobby in a professional environment.

tigger1001 · 18/05/2024 12:20

TheKeatingFive · 18/05/2024 12:17

What sort of message does it give professionally. He can be called the shortened name in everyday life, just give him a proper name to begin with!

I really don't understand this comment. There is absolutely zero issue with people being called Ali, Ricky or Bobby in a professional environment.

Exactly! I don't get it either.

TheFunHasGone · 18/05/2024 12:25

newuser9632794 · 18/05/2024 10:47

Some names have evolved to where the shortened versions are used more commonly than the original versions.

What I'm referring to, though, would be someone calling their Child Tommy not Tom or Thomas.

Mines called Tommy, with some of the solicitors names I see every day I'm not worried about it

prettybird · 18/05/2024 12:25

My mother's name was Toni (born during the war). No middle name Grin.

She used to tell me how her headteacher insisted on calling her Antonia even though that wasn't her christened name Confused

Basilsage · 18/05/2024 12:49

HelloDenise · 18/05/2024 08:58

But he's called Melvin isn't he?

Yes. Was said as Melly in the days of stardom. Shows the wide range of names covered!

Not sure i'd have wanted a nickname type name on the birth certificate for our two, but they are all into full age long ago.

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