Schools insistence on uniform rules are behind the times

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I know I will be slated for saying this but just reading a thread from a poster who is disappointed that there is not a more formal dress code at work and so many people saying everyone is more casual in offices all over the place and suits are more worn by older people in the city. Yet schools seem to put so much faith in whether a boy keeps his shirt tucked in or how short a girls skirt is. God forbid they dye their hair or have more than 1 stud earring. Isn't it time for schools to loosen up wrt dress code? In the Scandinavian countries there is no uniform. Does this mean their teenagers are wild and don't learn anything. Why are we so hung up on not allowing teenagers to express themselves.

So you understand that the poster might have been neglected by her parents. Pity your posts didn't reflect any sympathy for any child in that position.

That's a very strange criterion for choosing a school.

I agree about the not taking blazers off though. That's barbaric and unnecessary.

Whatever you say. It's neglect and it's unacceptable.

Please provide a peer reviewed study that compares outcomes for uniform wearing and non-uniform wearing schools and shows statistically significant improved outcomes for schools with uniform. Because unless there is a clear benefit to the children why should parents be forced to spend money on clothes for school when they already have clothes for their children?

Are you taking the piss pal?

£422 it costs. That's a over a third of take home on minimum wage. Parents have to spend that money so their kids can go to school. You can get five pairs of jeans, a couple of hoodies, some t shirts and a pair of trainers from Primark for less than £100, that'll be way more practical and comfortable.

www.sec-ed.co.uk/content/news/branded-items-to-blame-for-422-average-school-uniform-cost/

Yes…that is what I was getting at.

Astonishing that you’re so aware of the concept of neglect but so lacking in empathy when responding to a post which strongly implies that was the case.

Critical thinking is clearly not one of your strengths.

Sure, but you don't need to practice wearing one for 12 years beforehand. It's a simple enough requirement to meet. It's not like you've got nurses or firefighters in France or Norway or wherever wandering around with trousers on their hands, desperately wondering how the fuck they're ever going to figure out their uniforms.

@ThisIsNotARealAvo I think is more to do with the ages of the children.

I don't care. It just makes life easier. Says the mother of three adults who all had to wear uniform throughout their schooldays.

I didn't have a uniform in primary. I had a limited wardrobe. One of my classmates was living temporarily with her aunt for a long period of time, and she had a new outfit every week. My kids never had to put up with that, thankfully.

I don't know what your strengths are because they are not apparent to me.

I did not say anything wrong. It's neglect, pure and simple. Say whatever you want. Sticks and stones, etc.

I'm an excellent critical thinker in fact, and I am highly empathetic. I haven't got the foggiest clue why you are targeting me in this way. I am not interested though. I don't do fighting with my toenails.

Well yes it's good that your kids never had to live with an aunt

I completely agree with you , when I attended in the 70s-80's there was a basic guide the vast majority stuck to now it just seems to way over the top . Measuring the length of school skirts ? When did that begin ? Fashion will change again . They'll all be refusing to show off their legs again .

I'm not "taking the piss" and I am not your "pal".

You are also talking crap. Very many families can afford it, mine included. Where I live, there is an excellent second-hand uniform facility run by a church. There are options now for low-income families. I have donated any of my kids' uniforms that still had some wear in them, though mine often wore the same pieces of uniform for years, including 2 blazers that I mentioned upthread that got 7 years' wear each.

There are uniform grants. The uniform can be bought bit by bit once it's known what school the child will be attending. From 14 years of experience, the cost per wear of uniform is much lower than buying a variety of outfits to impress their friends.

We're talking school uniform! There's no need to be so patronising, belligerent and downright rude towards me.

You have no idea. It was a choice for her to live with her aunt and it's none of your business. I don't know why you are getting your knickers in such a twist.

No. Google it yourself if you want it.

Nobody is disputing there was neglect involved. The issue is how you responded to that poster.

Absolutely nothing in your posts suggests you are empathetic, never mind endowed with critical thinking skills.

Whatever. Think what you like - I really could not care less.

The identifiable part is another reason they aren’t a good idea. As parents we are told not to make our children trackable or provide clues for would be kidnappers. No names on the outside of bags. No identifying clothing. Yet here is a school uniform telling everyone exactly what path this child will be traveling.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8386814/

I'm in favour of uniform, with adjustments for SEN.

I wish they would bring trousers in for everyone though. Some of the skirts were so short at our school you could see thongs. So after a million warnings they introduced a thick black tights rule even in the height of Summer. Now all the girls suffer for a selfish few.

My son’s secondary is good for uniform, it’s exactly the same for male and female students - black trousers, anything not skin tight/leggings and a white shirt. Jumper is optional and black knitted cotton, they have a clip on house tie and they can wear a fleece instead of the jumper if they want. Jumper/tie/fleece come from a local supplier but aren’t expensive (jumper = £15) and there are frequent uniform sales so second hand is easy to get. They’ve also brought in a sew on badge that you can apply to any black jumper or fleece (£2) so really easy but still smart.

The sign of the terminally nasty. I am pretty sure I am more highly educated than you are.

I liked the fairly strict school uniform we had when I was at school as I grew up less well off than most of my friends and it was good for my MH not to be comparing what we had or had not got, not that there was much of that going on anyway in the North of England in the ‘80’s!

Fast forward to now and my local academy/secondary (also my workplace) doesn’t have a uniform and I find it interesting that the teens seem to have created their own, all (boys and girls) wearing cheap shiny leggings, t shirts and bomber jackets all in black with enormous white trainers. I don’t see any labels and I don’t see them picking on each other about being poorer dressed than someone else or stealing anyone else’s stuff. For reference its a very working class town In rural NE Scotland.

It shouldn't have to cost that. I've already said on here that parents from my last permanent school mainly bought their school clothes from Asda's: white shirt or polo-shirt, black trousers or skirt, black jumper. About 30 quid for the larger sizes. The most expensive item would be footwear. Many parents opted to buy black trainers.