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Would you fly on a 737 MAX plane?

144 replies

yellowblue20 · 17/05/2024 19:54

Booking a flight where the cheapest flight is on a 737 MAX, if I want to fly on another plane It is minimum £120 more.

Given its history, would you feel comfortable flying on a 737 MAX?

I am very anxious

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ILikePistachios · 17/05/2024 19:58

Yes, wouldn't give it a second thought

Hahua · 17/05/2024 19:59

It's more likely you'll win Euromillions than die in a commercial plane crash.

If its your time it's your time.

What if you upgrade to the other plane and that one crashes?

You're more likely to crash on the way to the airport.

Stop over thinking it.

ouch321 · 17/05/2024 20:02

I don't know your issue with the plane but assuming one crashed at some point I still wouldn't care. If the rest of the fleet was a danger the aviation authority would ground them all. In fact they're probably safer now post crash (again assuming there was some incident I had not heard of or forgot) due to tightening procedures. But I love flying so...

cherryassam · 17/05/2024 20:03

Given what happened in January, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are the currently one of the most rigorously inspected model of plane out there.

I get your fears, but I wouldn’t stop booking the flight for this reason

Timetochangenow · 17/05/2024 20:04

I would but currently if I had another option I would book it purely because if they ground them again it will be a scramble for alternatives.

EffinMagicFairy · 17/05/2024 20:05

Yep, we are, didn’t even think to check which aircraft we’d be flying in.

fieldsofbutterflies · 17/05/2024 20:07

I don't think I've ever checked what aircraft I'd be flying on - it's genuinely not something that would ever occur to me.

RogueFemale · 17/05/2024 20:07

No, I would not fly on a Boeing, any Boeing. US plane (and car) companies are far more interested in profit than safety.

Namechange87654321 · 17/05/2024 20:20

No I wouldn’t. Too many shortcuts, and the “fix” for the unbalanced wings was a software one.

meganorks · 17/05/2024 20:24

I've never known what plane I'm flying on, I just book the best price and/or time. I have no knowledge of any planes anyway. So yes, I would. Sounds like you have been doing too much researching!

TipsyKoala · 17/05/2024 20:45

To be honest I would think twice. Knowing how the Indonesian crash was not properly investigated leading to a second crash, and yet still there have been even more problems recently, I may well avoid it.

Setyoufree · 17/05/2024 20:50

Depends whether the alternative is a different Boeing, or an airbus. I wouldn't fly boeing, given their apparent total absence of safety culture

Shade17 · 17/05/2024 20:51

Namechange87654321 · 17/05/2024 20:20

No I wouldn’t. Too many shortcuts, and the “fix” for the unbalanced wings was a software one.

What are you talking about?

Setyoufree · 17/05/2024 20:54

Shade17 · 17/05/2024 20:51

What are you talking about?

Here, I saved you the effort of googling it... https://www.eetimes.com/software-wont-fix-boeings-faulty-airframe/

NigelHarmansNewWife · 17/05/2024 20:57

Give over: over 1160 Max 737s are active.

atticstage · 17/05/2024 20:58

ouch321 · 17/05/2024 20:02

I don't know your issue with the plane but assuming one crashed at some point I still wouldn't care. If the rest of the fleet was a danger the aviation authority would ground them all. In fact they're probably safer now post crash (again assuming there was some incident I had not heard of or forgot) due to tightening procedures. But I love flying so...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68573686

Actually kind of scary how oblivious people are to this ongoing scandal.

An Alaska Airlines 737-9 Max model

Boeing: How much trouble is the company in?

The US plane giant is under pressure from regulators and airlines, and its reputation is badly damaged.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68573686

ACynicalDad · 17/05/2024 20:58

If I knew and thought about it I’d rather not, but with a European or us airline I’d be confident they’d been upgraded, not so sure say about a Far Eastern airline.

UghFletcher · 17/05/2024 20:59

I'd not fly Boeing if I had a choice in the matter.

brunettemic · 17/05/2024 20:59

If you go anywhere in a car your fear must be through the roof given how much more dangerous that is.

DiddlySquatted · 17/05/2024 21:00

No

Shade17 · 17/05/2024 21:00

Setyoufree · 17/05/2024 20:54

Here, I saved you the effort of googling it... https://www.eetimes.com/software-wont-fix-boeings-faulty-airframe/

I suggest you read it. It had nothing to do with “unbalanced wings”. The software fix was fine in theory but they failed to send data from both angle of attack sensors to MCAS. This lack of redundancy meant a faulty AOA sensor could cause the pitching down experienced by the accident aircraft. It was compounded by crews not being thoroughly trained on MCAS. The fix is still software, only now it’s been properly written and crews understand what to do with MCAS. I would be very surprised if we ever see another accident related to this system. If you’re worried about door plugs, don’t fly on a MAX-9 🤣

Corksoles · 17/05/2024 21:02

They're falling apart because the business model at Boeing has been fucked up. If you're happy that all the qualified engineers are gone, parts are outsourced and assembled too fast and with minimal supervision - knock yourself out.

The idea that one accident makes them so super inspected that they become safe has been utterly belied by how many accidents and incidents there's been since the first two fatal ones.

Setyoufree · 17/05/2024 21:20

Shade17 · 17/05/2024 21:00

I suggest you read it. It had nothing to do with “unbalanced wings”. The software fix was fine in theory but they failed to send data from both angle of attack sensors to MCAS. This lack of redundancy meant a faulty AOA sensor could cause the pitching down experienced by the accident aircraft. It was compounded by crews not being thoroughly trained on MCAS. The fix is still software, only now it’s been properly written and crews understand what to do with MCAS. I would be very surprised if we ever see another accident related to this system. If you’re worried about door plugs, don’t fly on a MAX-9 🤣

It's a fundamentally unsafe airframe design. A software overlay is a pretty dodgy fix IMO.

Sakura7 · 17/05/2024 21:27

There are 5,000 flights operating safely per day on a 737 Max. Go on Flight Radar and start clicking random planes on the map and you'll see quite a few. Ryanair have been operating them for a few years now with no issues.

I do understand the worry but logically speaking you will be absolutely fine. Your journey to the airport is still significantly more likely to kill you than the plane.

Go and enjoy your trip, don't let this hold you back.

Shade17 · 17/05/2024 21:32

Setyoufree · 17/05/2024 21:20

It's a fundamentally unsafe airframe design. A software overlay is a pretty dodgy fix IMO.

I’d argue that most commercial aircraft only stay in the sky due to their software. If it’s written/tested properly and has the correct redundancy it’s all good. MCAS is only doing something similar to the protections that exist in Airbus aircraft which themselves have not been immune from AOA sensor/data issues. In theory MCAS shouldn’t intervene in normal flight conditions anyway, it’s only a failsafe.