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Would you fly on a 737 MAX plane?

144 replies

yellowblue20 · 17/05/2024 19:54

Booking a flight where the cheapest flight is on a 737 MAX, if I want to fly on another plane It is minimum £120 more.

Given its history, would you feel comfortable flying on a 737 MAX?

I am very anxious

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LlynTegid · 17/05/2024 21:32

Would depend on the airline for me. I will not fly with Ryanair and support the bully Mr O'Leary.

Elphame · 17/05/2024 21:34

No I wouldn't. In fact DH went away without me and it was conditional on him not being on a 737 Max

I don't have much confidence in the software fix and the more that comes out about Boeing practices the less confidence I feel in the company.

backinthebox · 17/05/2024 21:40

All this ‘I wouldn’t fly in any Boeing at the moment…’ rubbish - why? I fly Boeings daily for a living. In the last 25 years I’ve notched up well over 10000 hours in 5 different Boeing models, they are excellent aircraft. As others have alluded to, Airbus is not immune to catastrophic fuck ups - Air France disaster anyone? It doesn’t change the fact that air travel is generally safe enough that crashes and disasters make headline news. The normal state of affairs is for flights to take off and land without incident.

Of all the things to be worried about with flying atm, the type of aircraft is not the thing you need to be focussing on. (If you are at all worried about flying, try not to look too closely into the effects the wars in Ukraine and Israel are having on aircraft atm, from a professional pov that is far more concerning.)

Screamingabdabz · 17/05/2024 21:41

A colleague of my DH (an engineer) forced the plane to stop on the runway because he had an email promising him in writing it wouldn’t be that aircraft and it was only when he read the safety info in the back of the seat that he realised. Because he had proof, the plane had to turn around and drop him at the terminal.

Boeing safety is a shit show and planes are flying that are unsafe. You may not care, you may take off and land ok but at some point…

Sakura7 · 17/05/2024 21:43

LlynTegid · 17/05/2024 21:32

Would depend on the airline for me. I will not fly with Ryanair and support the bully Mr O'Leary.

Thats got nothing to do with the safety of the planes though, which is OP's main concern.

Ryanair's safety record is excellent.

zerored · 17/05/2024 21:47

For the sake of £120 I would avoid the 737 MAX. it would be worth it for the peace of mind to me

Aussieland · 17/05/2024 21:51

ouch321 · 17/05/2024 20:02

I don't know your issue with the plane but assuming one crashed at some point I still wouldn't care. If the rest of the fleet was a danger the aviation authority would ground them all. In fact they're probably safer now post crash (again assuming there was some incident I had not heard of or forgot) due to tightening procedures. But I love flying so...

If you love flying I am bemused how you have missed the multiple incidents involving this aircraft and the ongoing concerns with Boeing

ontheflighttosingapore · 17/05/2024 21:53

No I wouldn't

Elphame · 17/05/2024 21:55

backinthebox · 17/05/2024 21:40

All this ‘I wouldn’t fly in any Boeing at the moment…’ rubbish - why? I fly Boeings daily for a living. In the last 25 years I’ve notched up well over 10000 hours in 5 different Boeing models, they are excellent aircraft. As others have alluded to, Airbus is not immune to catastrophic fuck ups - Air France disaster anyone? It doesn’t change the fact that air travel is generally safe enough that crashes and disasters make headline news. The normal state of affairs is for flights to take off and land without incident.

Of all the things to be worried about with flying atm, the type of aircraft is not the thing you need to be focussing on. (If you are at all worried about flying, try not to look too closely into the effects the wars in Ukraine and Israel are having on aircraft atm, from a professional pov that is far more concerning.)

The US regulator doesn't seem too happy with Boeing safety.

Reuters today
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-faces-multiple-probes-after-mid-air-max-door-plug-blowout-2024-05-17/

Fortune

https://fortune.com/2024/05/14/boeing-criminal-charges-violating-deal-regulators/

Boeing violated a deal that allowed it to sidestep criminal prosecution. Now, charges could be back on the table

Boeing reached a $2.5 billion settlement with the Justice Department in January 2021 to avoid prosecution.

https://fortune.com/2024/05/14/boeing-criminal-charges-violating-deal-regulators

FortunataTagnips · 17/05/2024 21:58

Fuck no

DirectionToPerfection · 17/05/2024 21:59

Screamingabdabz · 17/05/2024 21:41

A colleague of my DH (an engineer) forced the plane to stop on the runway because he had an email promising him in writing it wouldn’t be that aircraft and it was only when he read the safety info in the back of the seat that he realised. Because he had proof, the plane had to turn around and drop him at the terminal.

Boeing safety is a shit show and planes are flying that are unsafe. You may not care, you may take off and land ok but at some point…

How ridiculous.

I worked in aviation for years. European (including UK) safety standards are rigourous. The work that goes into certification and maintenance is extremely thorough.

Those planes simply would not be cleared to fly if they were unsafe. Pilots and crew would not risk their lives if they were unsafe.

I bet the people saying they'd never fly on one never paid any attention to what aircraft they were booked on before. Historically just about every model of commercial plane has had fatal incidents somewhere in their history (with the notable exception of the A380). The chances of being involved in a crash on any of them are miniscule.

Pupsandturtles · 17/05/2024 22:00

No. I don’t trust any of the newer Boeing planes. Watch The Case Against Boeing on Netflix and you’ll see why. People have literally died due to their incompetence and money-grabbing, it’s absolutely criminal.

Pupsandturtles · 17/05/2024 22:02

To those saying the MAX wouldn’t be cleared to fly if it was unsafe: it crashed twice in 2018/19. It was cleared to go back in the air.

And then grounded again in January after the Alaska Airlines incident.

that’s a few too many oversights for me.

BadLad · 17/05/2024 22:03

Screamingabdabz · 17/05/2024 21:41

A colleague of my DH (an engineer) forced the plane to stop on the runway because he had an email promising him in writing it wouldn’t be that aircraft and it was only when he read the safety info in the back of the seat that he realised. Because he had proof, the plane had to turn around and drop him at the terminal.

Boeing safety is a shit show and planes are flying that are unsafe. You may not care, you may take off and land ok but at some point…

How did he force them? Stand up and show his phone to a cabin attendant, who quickly phoned the captain, who then pulled out of his take off slot because of an email? This sounds like bull shit.

mimi0708 · 17/05/2024 22:04

Definitely no, after all the recent scandals involved with Boeing. I'd rather pay the extra £120.

delilahxxx · 17/05/2024 22:11

Just thought ‘no’ then searched what ours is for our summer holiday.. 737 MAX 8 😩😩😩 It’s with tui and does the route twice a week but still feels like a risk and I hate flying at the best of times

BlessedKali · 17/05/2024 22:14

backinthebox · 17/05/2024 21:40

All this ‘I wouldn’t fly in any Boeing at the moment…’ rubbish - why? I fly Boeings daily for a living. In the last 25 years I’ve notched up well over 10000 hours in 5 different Boeing models, they are excellent aircraft. As others have alluded to, Airbus is not immune to catastrophic fuck ups - Air France disaster anyone? It doesn’t change the fact that air travel is generally safe enough that crashes and disasters make headline news. The normal state of affairs is for flights to take off and land without incident.

Of all the things to be worried about with flying atm, the type of aircraft is not the thing you need to be focussing on. (If you are at all worried about flying, try not to look too closely into the effects the wars in Ukraine and Israel are having on aircraft atm, from a professional pov that is far more concerning.)

If you don't understand whyx then do your research. A whistleblower was recently killed by Boeing just before he was due to give testimony on the lack of safety of one particular model. There is apparently a second whistle blower which the same happened to. There has been Boeing problem almost every month (doors flying off, part of the plane falling off when flying)

No, I absolutely wouldn't fly in one, I would rather pay more and fly in something else.

BlessedKali · 17/05/2024 22:16

BadLad · 17/05/2024 22:03

How did he force them? Stand up and show his phone to a cabin attendant, who quickly phoned the captain, who then pulled out of his take off slot because of an email? This sounds like bull shit.

read her post properly. He was promised in writing that he wouldn't have the craft, and when he was on the plane he saw the safety sheet and realised they HAD put him on the plane.

I imagine he stood up and made a fuss they take that quite seriously on planes.

frankentall · 17/05/2024 22:18

I have taken 4 flights on 737 maxes - no worries.
Would fly on one any time and certainly wouldn't pay extra to fly on something different.

BlessedKali · 17/05/2024 22:18

DirectionToPerfection · 17/05/2024 21:59

How ridiculous.

I worked in aviation for years. European (including UK) safety standards are rigourous. The work that goes into certification and maintenance is extremely thorough.

Those planes simply would not be cleared to fly if they were unsafe. Pilots and crew would not risk their lives if they were unsafe.

I bet the people saying they'd never fly on one never paid any attention to what aircraft they were booked on before. Historically just about every model of commercial plane has had fatal incidents somewhere in their history (with the notable exception of the A380). The chances of being involved in a crash on any of them are miniscule.

Are you even aware of what's been happening regarding Boeing??

It's so mad when people pipe up without taking a simple two minutes to look at what the thread is regarding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/68907597

John Barnett

Boeing: Dead whistleblower warned of safety breaches

John Barnett had been giving a formal legal deposition against the plane manufacturer before his sudden death.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/68907597

plimtroll · 17/05/2024 22:19

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BlessedKali · 17/05/2024 22:20

This man above was found dead in his car (shot himself) in the car park just before he was due to give further evidence.The man had flown to another estate to give evidence, gone to the place he was due to give it, and then happens to shoot himself in the carpark? rather odd

mitogoshi · 17/05/2024 22:21

Yes, have done so. I would prefer an airbus thoughGrin

Beezknees · 17/05/2024 22:22

Yes, I don't check what model the plane is that I'm going on so I wouldn't have a clue anyway.