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To be really, really pleased about the explicit ban on the proactive teaching of gender identity?

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BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 13:35

It's just such madness that we even got here. My family has been badly affected by activists pushing this madness on my Autistic son, who now half believes he's a girl because some nitwit came into the school and told him people who feel uncomfortable and like they don't belong are trans (not maybe gay, not maybe Autistic, not maybe just Puberty, but trans)

I won't apologise for wanting to safeguard children. This is not a Section 28 thing, it really is protecting vulnerable kids.

"Gender identity
The guidance will introduce an explicit ban on the proactive teaching of gender identity. It will say that the idea that children can change their gender by using different names, pronouns and wearing the uniform of the opposite sex is highly contested. If pressed by pupils, they should instead focus on the facts of biological sex.
Teaching children about gender identity could lead to them questioning their own gender when they may not have done otherwise, the guidance will suggest. Children can be taught the law about gender reassignment — that people can legally change their gender from the age of 18 — but children will be told that that they cannot legally be classified as members of the opposite sex."

More info on the changes https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4a2b0d57-13c9-409a-a40b-104d7a0499b2?shareToken=ed46490f36a6c9fbb0f70d6bf03c0a99

What the new sex education guidelines mean for schools and parents

The changes will ban teaching about gender identity and set out what children should be taught at each age

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4a2b0d57-13c9-409a-a40b-104d7a0499b2?shareToken=ed46490f36a6c9fbb0f70d6bf03c0a99

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JacquesHarlow · 16/05/2024 13:37

I think it is a sensible ban. We are a generation away from understanding the effects of the 'proactive' approach.

What I will always support is inclusion, in the widest sense. Ensuring people have a safe space to be themselves.

SingleSexSafeSpace · 16/05/2024 13:39

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YouJustDoYou · 16/05/2024 13:41

Utterly relieved about this. Pushing this indoctrinating crap on kids has had horrific consequences.

SingleSexSafeSpace · 16/05/2024 13:41

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Beowulfa · 16/05/2024 13:43

I would like children to be reassured that it is completely normal to resent the changes puberty brings, and to feel uncomfortable in your body. This seems to have been lost in the rush to label everyone.

FrancescaContini · 16/05/2024 13:43

Couldn’t agree more, @BiologicsBeforeIdeology

GerbilStyle · 16/05/2024 13:43

It's fantastic, although I suspect a lot of people have no idea about the background to needing this legislation. I do hope the BBC make a few documentaries about it now. And Chanel 4 who prides itself on groundbreaking stuff should be ashamed of not covering this years ago

ilovesooty · 16/05/2024 13:43

People will have different opinions on this.

I disagree with both this and the ban on sex education for under 9s.

TuesdayWhistler · 16/05/2024 13:44

Changing sex is impossible.
No one should be taught that it is.

No kid should be taught that Stereotypes define their gender either.

GrammarTeacher · 16/05/2024 13:45

They've phrased it as gender identity. That is a real thing. That crops up repeatedly when I teach Shakespeare.

GrammarTeacher · 16/05/2024 13:45

And the age related limits are going to make so many things a whole lot worse.

ResisterRex · 16/05/2024 13:46

I agree. And a safeguarding first approach, as well as that informed by a child's developmental stages, is the right one.

MagnetCarHair · 16/05/2024 13:47

Lots of sensible statutory guidance there and also banning outside agencies from secret squirreling their batshit teaching materials away from parents. Brilliant.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 16/05/2024 13:48

It’s a great move. I’ve got a child in reception and am hugely relieved I won’t have to worry about her being peddled the genderbread bollocks or told she might be born in the wrong body or any unscientific homophobic stereotype-laden dangerous belief system.

Third parties providing secretive inappropriate sex education/grooming have no place in our schools, this will hopefully put them out of business.

MagnetCarHair · 16/05/2024 13:48

Have the NEU popped a vein over all this yet?

BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 13:49

MagnetCarHair · 16/05/2024 13:47

Lots of sensible statutory guidance there and also banning outside agencies from secret squirreling their batshit teaching materials away from parents. Brilliant.

It was an outside agency "Allsorts" who came and filled my kids brains with utter bullshit

https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/

Look at the madness they come and teach, they are the 101 genders people

Allsorts Youth Project

Allsorts Youth Project provides youth, family and LGBT+ training services across Sussex. Our youth support and groups are for children & young people under 26 who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans or exploring their sexual orientation and/or gender ide...

https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/

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Underthinker · 16/05/2024 13:50

Yeah fully agree with this.

I have no problem with kids being taught "some people believe X about gender" just as they'd be taught about other beliefs systems, but it shouldn't be taught as fact.

Opponents to this guidance will have to carefully work out how to straddle both the "this is unnecessary no one is teaching gender ideology as fact" and "gender ideology is fact and should therefore be taught" arguments. I have every confidence in their ability to at least make a good attempt.

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FoxRed7 · 16/05/2024 13:50

So pleased about this but there’s much to undo.

BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 13:51

Underthinker · 16/05/2024 13:50

Yeah fully agree with this.

I have no problem with kids being taught "some people believe X about gender" just as they'd be taught about other beliefs systems, but it shouldn't be taught as fact.

Opponents to this guidance will have to carefully work out how to straddle both the "this is unnecessary no one is teaching gender ideology as fact" and "gender ideology is fact and should therefore be taught" arguments. I have every confidence in their ability to at least make a good attempt.

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I've never realised, it is a lot like teaching Christianity as Fact

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fiftyandfat · 16/05/2024 13:51

The policy has been infuriatingly misquoted and misrepresented at every turn by every journalist and contributor that I have heard on MSM this week. Even Eddie Izzard was putting in his 2 pennyworth on the radio this morning.

BiologicsBeforeIdeology · 16/05/2024 13:51

GrammarTeacher · 16/05/2024 13:45

And the age related limits are going to make so many things a whole lot worse.

Honest question, which ones would you change?

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Beowulfa · 16/05/2024 13:43

I would like children to be reassured that it is completely normal to resent the changes puberty brings, and to feel uncomfortable in your body. This seems to have been lost in the rush to label everyone.

I don’t think it’s helpful for children to dwell on any potential discomfort during this phase of life. I don’t remember a single friend saying during teenage years that he or she felt “uncomfortable in their body” or similar. Puberty needs to be “re-normalised”, and adults need to encourage adolescents to stop navel gazing on social media and get busy with activities that take them away from negative thoughts and focus instead on enjoying themselves - sports or music or cooking or just taking a dog for a walk.

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