To think that people living longer is making quality of life for everyone worse?

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Possibly controversial…,

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-05-14/one-in-three-councils-not-confident-they-can-provide-basic-adult-social-care

“The fears about meeting the legal requirements come despite eight out of 10 councils forecasting having to cut spending on other community services such as parks, libraries and leisure centres to try to protect funding”.

So - libraries, leisure centres, parks, all vital for young children, families and others - being closed because the elderly desperately need social care.

As awful as it is for us all individually to lose somebody that we love….. is curing every disease, and having us all live to 100 really a good thing if it is at the expense of quality of life for the rest of society?

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me - I'm not disputing what you're saying - since elderly people here are offered the vax.

I've not had a vaccination yet, since I'm still in my 60s and I think you have to be in your 70s to get it. (My husband got the vax as a one off.) I had chickenpox once as a child and I've had shingles twice. (First time, I was in my 40s.)

@WearyAuldWumman well it's an economic decision based on ageism unfortunately. But people seem to think it only applies when it's the elderly that are being disadvantaged.

The situation that you describe around the lack of a chickenpox vaccination seems really illogical to me.

According to the NHS website, it is actually available to some people - including medics.

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccine/

The mortality and hospitalisation rate of shingles in the elderly is wildly higher than that of chickenpox in children

So my able bodied nan, who is in better physical shape than me, needs to just throw the towel in if she needs help at 90? In just 3 years time? She has my dc for tea twice a week. I'll let her know

Mate I know it's no joke. I am 33. I haven't had independence for almost 10 years. My life is still worth living. Even if it's just for my family.

I hope it all works out for you. Please message if you need to. It's good to have someone who has been through it before. There are really good UK knee replacement groups on FB too.

That’s great if that’s what you want. But please respect the fact that others are allowed to have differing views on their own lives

They aren't saying it for just themselves. They are saying it on behalf of everyone! And doubling down! That's the problem? Have you not been following this thread?

Your original comment I responded to was about someone making a statement about themself.

In regards the thread in general, I don’t believe we should stop caring for the elderly. I do however believe thar we should not keep someone alive artificially if they have no quality of life. It’s torture and I’ve seen it first hand.

That wasn't me

Soylent Green?

Logan's run was a 70s film set in the future.once you hit 30 you were executed according to govt policy and if you went AWOL you were hunted down.

I agree.
And the people advocating for all kinds of treatments to extend painful and terrifying lifes act like they're the ones on the moral high ground .

@Kendodd Elderly people refuse care to prolong life all the time. My mother did. The difference is they do not have an arbitrary person saying you are over 75 so too old for treatment.

Where has anyone done that? I am arguing against people being written off due to their age.

Who decides on quality of life? Is someone paraplegic judged to have no quality of life? Someone with complex autism? Someone non verbal?

@WrenNatsworthy I somehow missed your post till now. I'm so sorry this is happening to you. 💐

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The situation that you describe around the lack of a chickenpox vaccination seems really illogical to me.
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The mortality and hospitalisation rate of shingles in the elderly is wildly higher than that of chickenpox in children"

I mean, sure. But kids can and do end up in hospital or even occasionally die from chickenpox. To protect the elderly. Are you ok with that? I'm not. Especially when there is an actual shingles vaccine.

The Shingles vaccine is not available to everyone though, you have to be over a certain age. I’m vulnerable with multiple conditions including rheumatoid arthritis and my GP still wouldn’t give me the vaccine until I was in the right age group, despite multiple requests from the consultant rheumatologist.

Agree. I think some posters here haven’t got their heads around ‘keeping someone alive artificially’. Anyone who has had surgery for any condition which can kill you if left untreated, is being kept alive artificially. Cancers are more common in the elderly. Why should they be left to die a horrible death untreated if there’s something that can be done for them. The human race is in an awful state if we’re judging whether someone can be kept alive or not based on what it costs.

My point is that able bodied people can assume someone disabled or chronically ill has no quality of life, when that person themselves values their life.

It’s not just their own lives though is it ? This poster is clearly disabled and has to rely on others for care. From that viewpoint, the thought that someone else - a carer for example - could be given the authority to euthanise you if they deem your quality of life not to be very good is terrifying.

I haven't said that at all. I mean that it's illogical not vaccinate the population.