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To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?

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FaeryRing · 12/05/2024 20:38

Yet again it’s been proven girls do better in single sex schools (I have a son as well as a daughter so please don’t think I’m ’hating on boys’).

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

In my hometown growing up there were 4 girls schools. 1 grammar, 1 private, and 2 regular secondaries, meaning pretty much all parents regardless of background had access to single sex education for their daughters if they wanted it.

2 have announced their plans to go Co-Ed, with 1 already having done so, leaving just 1 (the grammar, so working class girls will be inherently disadvantaged). This seems to be a pattern across the country.

AIBU to be angry this is happening? Can’t girls have anything to themselves?

Girls do better in exams at all-girls schools than mixed, research finds | Schools | The Guardian

Pupils in girls’ schools in England outperform girls with similar records and backgrounds in mixed schools, analysis says

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

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Purplebunnie · 14/05/2024 17:49

FaeryRing · 12/05/2024 21:19

In my experience of being at a high achieving girls school, this is correct - devoid of boys, it was just the norm for girls to achieve and to be top of the class, in all subjects. We didn’t think twice about whether girls should be good at science/maths/technology because it was only girls studying it there, if that makes sense. There was no sex split or gender stereotypes to gradually bend to, because it was simply all girls.

This was also my experience at an all girls school. I'm personally all for them

Ambergrease · 14/05/2024 18:02

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 11:27

Did I ignore it?
I definitely remember reading a post along those lines and thought I responded? Maybe it didn't go through.
In short, there will always be specific problems at specific schools, and those schools need to address that. That doesn't mean it's systemic or that there isn't issues with girls being favoured over boys in other schools (those schools need to address that too).

I think your first response was ‘get the school to change’ and I replied saying I’d been unsuccessful at that (despite trying), and that I therefore wanted the single sex option.

I agree that ideally we wouldn’t have schools favouring boys or girls. I just know from experience that it’s very hard to change a school from the outside, or to know what it’s like before your child joins it. And that’s why I want a single sex option.

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:05

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 17:48

I am not a man either, despite what some other confused posters seem to think!

I did think you were a man! I think I read your user name as Ken, and your posts were passively aggressively pro boys. So you were Ken the man to me.

Ok so now you’re a woman with son/s whom you’re protecting. Understandable.

The problem is that too many males are absolute dickheads. I know a lot aren’t. That may manifest itself more or less after the age of 16. There are probably some stats somewhere.

Either way, single sex schools for girls are a good thing. Even better to be able to have the choice. Which is what the OP was referring to really. And I totally agree with her.

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:07

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:05

I did think you were a man! I think I read your user name as Ken, and your posts were passively aggressively pro boys. So you were Ken the man to me.

Ok so now you’re a woman with son/s whom you’re protecting. Understandable.

The problem is that too many males are absolute dickheads. I know a lot aren’t. That may manifest itself more or less after the age of 16. There are probably some stats somewhere.

Either way, single sex schools for girls are a good thing. Even better to be able to have the choice. Which is what the OP was referring to really. And I totally agree with her.

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It’s not understandable - I have 2 sons myself - I don’t blindly and chauvinistically try to “protect” them and their best interests because that would be weird.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:08

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:05

I did think you were a man! I think I read your user name as Ken, and your posts were passively aggressively pro boys. So you were Ken the man to me.

Ok so now you’re a woman with son/s whom you’re protecting. Understandable.

The problem is that too many males are absolute dickheads. I know a lot aren’t. That may manifest itself more or less after the age of 16. There are probably some stats somewhere.

Either way, single sex schools for girls are a good thing. Even better to be able to have the choice. Which is what the OP was referring to really. And I totally agree with her.

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You're still assuming, despite now realising your initial assumptions were incorrect.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:09

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:07

It’s not understandable - I have 2 sons myself - I don’t blindly and chauvinistically try to “protect” them and their best interests because that would be weird.

Nobody on this thread is actually doing that though. People are being accused of doing that when they are, in reality, trying to address the incorrect view that 'all boys are bad and we just need to keep our perfect girls away from them'. Both sexes can potentially create issues for pupils of their own sex and the opposite sex, and for teachers.

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:09

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:08

You're still assuming, despite now realising your initial assumptions were incorrect.

😂 ok

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:09

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:07

It’s not understandable - I have 2 sons myself - I don’t blindly and chauvinistically try to “protect” them and their best interests because that would be weird.

I suppose I meant the ‘protecting your son/s’ is understandable.

Polishedshoesalways · 14/05/2024 18:10

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Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:10

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:09

Nobody on this thread is actually doing that though. People are being accused of doing that when they are, in reality, trying to address the incorrect view that 'all boys are bad and we just need to keep our perfect girls away from them'. Both sexes can potentially create issues for pupils of their own sex and the opposite sex, and for teachers.

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I mean that’s what that poster thought you were doing, that’s how it comes across. You may not be aware of it.

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:11

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True. I’m glad it wasn’t just me. This thread is making me laugh now. 🤗

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:14

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:10

I mean that’s what that poster thought you were doing, that’s how it comes across. You may not be aware of it.

I'm aware of what you're trying to suggest I'm doing.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:15

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Being interested in the well being of boys and of girls makes me sound like a man? OK then.

Polishedshoesalways · 14/05/2024 18:15

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:16

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:09

I suppose I meant the ‘protecting your son/s’ is understandable.

People protecting their children is understandable indeed, isn't that exactly WHY OP started this thread?

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:17

I know Ken’s not a man but I’m reminded of this anyway. Applicable to some boys at school and obv men in later life. We all know it. So true.

To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?
KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:17

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OK.
I can take crap like the next person but you ARE being reported for that. How dare you.

HumourM3 · 14/05/2024 18:18

Ambergrease · 14/05/2024 18:02

I think your first response was ‘get the school to change’ and I replied saying I’d been unsuccessful at that (despite trying), and that I therefore wanted the single sex option.

I agree that ideally we wouldn’t have schools favouring boys or girls. I just know from experience that it’s very hard to change a school from the outside, or to know what it’s like before your child joins it. And that’s why I want a single sex option.

Well others don’t share your view and there isn’t the money for bespoke schools across the land for a minority to have their ideal school. If there was the money SEN would be the priority. As it is SEN precision mainstream is dire and bespoke SEN schools are as rare as hens teeth.

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:18

Meanwhile I’m getting these ads on my phone now I’ve mentioned Ken. Aside from predatory men, the internet scares me.

To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?
Polishedshoesalways · 14/05/2024 18:20

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:17

OK.
I can take crap like the next person but you ARE being reported for that. How dare you.

Oooohhh 🤣

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:20

'all boys are bad and we just need to keep our perfect girls away from them'.

Sigh. No one on this thread is saying that. That would be a ridiculous thing to say wouldn’t it.

HumourM3 · 14/05/2024 18:21

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 17:39

I’m not a man. Many females don’t want single sex schools for their children (including many of the females I know who attended single sex schools themselves). It’s precisely why so many are turning co-Ed; demand for them is decreasing.

Yes yes to this. They are decreasing because the demand isn’t there. When I sent my dd to one 9 years ago even then it was an unpopular choice amongst other mums, I should have listened to the reasons voiced by many.

HumourM3 · 14/05/2024 18:21

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What a ridiculous and unpleasant thing to say.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 18:24

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:17

I know Ken’s not a man but I’m reminded of this anyway. Applicable to some boys at school and obv men in later life. We all know it. So true.

My username starts with Kein.
My username isn't Ken.

Polishedshoesalways · 14/05/2024 18:24

HumourM3 · 14/05/2024 18:21

What a ridiculous and unpleasant thing to say.

You are not really living up to your user name if you can’t actually recognise humour.

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