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To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?

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FaeryRing · 12/05/2024 20:38

Yet again it’s been proven girls do better in single sex schools (I have a son as well as a daughter so please don’t think I’m ’hating on boys’).

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

In my hometown growing up there were 4 girls schools. 1 grammar, 1 private, and 2 regular secondaries, meaning pretty much all parents regardless of background had access to single sex education for their daughters if they wanted it.

2 have announced their plans to go Co-Ed, with 1 already having done so, leaving just 1 (the grammar, so working class girls will be inherently disadvantaged). This seems to be a pattern across the country.

AIBU to be angry this is happening? Can’t girls have anything to themselves?

Girls do better in exams at all-girls schools than mixed, research finds | Schools | The Guardian

Pupils in girls’ schools in England outperform girls with similar records and backgrounds in mixed schools, analysis says

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

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Mirabai · 14/05/2024 09:50

@OodlesPoodle You’re not listening. You’ve this fixed mindset that women in single sex education are actually in a convent and never interact with men. And nothing anyone says can make you wake up.

All being at a girls’s school really means is that you don’t have to put up with the most irritating things about teenage boys when you’re at school. Schoolgirls have brothers, fathers, friends, boyfriends to spend time with, they have also have male teachers in school.

The idea that this impacts in any way their ability to interact with men is simply erroneous.

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 09:50

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:48

Not an issue at girls school, there’s no boys so there can’t be differing standards of treatment.

My point is that it doesn’t need to be an issue at co-Ed schools either.

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 09:51

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:46

You don't know me.
May I ask why you're remotely informed or qualified to make such a comment? Or what you think I'm supposedly 'paranoid' about?
My comment was based on what peoole have actually written.

Of course I don’t know you I simply going on your posts on this thread.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:52

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:50

Indeed. How would that poster know anything? They don’t even have a daughter. They didn’t go to a girls school and the studies go against them. They’re just on here because they’re outraged on their sons behalf and have been spamming the same nonsense over and over

Why you still making assumptions about me exactly?

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FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:52

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:52

Why you still making assumptions about me exactly?

Why are you making assumptions about girls schools given you have zero experience of them?

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:53

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 09:50

My point is that it doesn’t need to be an issue at co-Ed schools either.

Indeed, and there often isn't.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:55

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:52

Why are you making assumptions about girls schools given you have zero experience of them?

You're assuming that too.
Not have attended one as a pupil most definitely does not mean I haven't experienced being in one.
You hadn't thought of that, had you?
Also, not having done something doesn't mean I cannot understandbthe implications of studies on it.

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:56

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:55

You're assuming that too.
Not have attended one as a pupil most definitely does not mean I haven't experienced being in one.
You hadn't thought of that, had you?
Also, not having done something doesn't mean I cannot understandbthe implications of studies on it.

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If you haven’t been a pupil, and you have no daughter, you have nothing to offer this thread.

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FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:58

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:53

Indeed, and there often isn't.

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Why don’t you just address the hundred studies I’ve posted? You seem absolutely determined to evade them and just post ‘mean to boys wah wah Co-Ed is wonderful wah’. You haven’t posted a single fact or experience of note just repeated the same nonsense over and over and over. Can you either add to the discussion or stop spamming the thread please

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:58

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:56

If you haven’t been a pupil, and you have no daughter, you have nothing to offer this thread.

As already stated, you don't get to police who contributes this thread just because they're not in the same echo chamber as you.

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:59

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 09:58

As already stated, you don't get to police who contributes this thread just because they're not in the same echo chamber as you.

No but I can tell you you’re ruining the chat for those that actually have something to contribute. Stop crying about echo chambers and actually back up what you’re saying rather than simply being purely outraged as a boy mum.

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Mirabai · 14/05/2024 09:59

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 09:46

I agree. I’ve never understood the idea of constantly telling girls that they are at a disadvantage in schools and the workplace and that males are favoured. After a while, if girls are constantly told this, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I remember one senior staff member at a school we looked round, during a q&a session, being asked by a parent what the school did to encourage girls to do STEM subjects. The answer was something along the lines of “Nothing. We lead by example. We have male and female STEM teachers. We don’t make a big deal out of it or suggest to pupils that there is an issue. We treat everyone, boys and girls the same”. That school has a very high rate of girls taking STEM subjects interestingly.

In single sex schools there’s no need to be mindful of treating girls and boys equally.

In my feminist girls’ school we had 8 compulsory O levels - including maths, physics and chemistry - the rest were our choice. And we all had to do computing and design and tech as well. They believed we must all be science literate.

I do think women should be encouraged to do STEM subjects because a. Some, like me, wouldn’t choose them naturally and b. The chauvinism of the STEM world and indeed the actual world runs deep

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:00

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 09:58

Why don’t you just address the hundred studies I’ve posted? You seem absolutely determined to evade them and just post ‘mean to boys wah wah Co-Ed is wonderful wah’. You haven’t posted a single fact or experience of note just repeated the same nonsense over and over and over. Can you either add to the discussion or stop spamming the thread please

I looked at your studies (can you count, because you've definitely not posted hundreds?).
Do you want me to post links to the studies which clearly highlight how the education system itself is favoured toward how girls learn, or how teachers may even be more likely to award girls better grades?
Also, discounting your dubious conclusions isn't spamming. Stop misusing words.

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 10:01

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 09:59

In single sex schools there’s no need to be mindful of treating girls and boys equally.

In my feminist girls’ school we had 8 compulsory O levels - including maths, physics and chemistry - the rest were our choice. And we all had to do computing and design and tech as well. They believed we must all be science literate.

I do think women should be encouraged to do STEM subjects because a. Some, like me, wouldn’t choose them naturally and b. The chauvinism of the STEM world and indeed the actual world runs deep

Agree.

I think a lot of posts here are just jealousy that we want to foster a good environment for our girls. They’re naturally seen as the support humans of boys so the fact we’re ’taking them away’ is outraging people. They can jog on.

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FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 10:01

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:00

I looked at your studies (can you count, because you've definitely not posted hundreds?).
Do you want me to post links to the studies which clearly highlight how the education system itself is favoured toward how girls learn, or how teachers may even be more likely to award girls better grades?
Also, discounting your dubious conclusions isn't spamming. Stop misusing words.

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All the more reason for girls school then Smile

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:02

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 10:01

Agree.

I think a lot of posts here are just jealousy that we want to foster a good environment for our girls. They’re naturally seen as the support humans of boys so the fact we’re ’taking them away’ is outraging people. They can jog on.

Jealousy?
Please enlighten us on that?

DataColour · 14/05/2024 10:02

Ovaltiner · 12/05/2024 21:08

@WalrusOfLove I agree. I went to all girls school and really struggled when I got to university as I just wasn't used to a mixed environment.

My younger DD had the choice of single sex or mixed and I was hugely relieved when she opted for the latter. All girls' schools can be very difficult environments, particularly when all are high achievers, and will not necessarily suit all. I think DD would have been fine had she gone that route but is thriving in a mixed environment.

Same here. All girls academic school, did brilliantly, went to a top uni and didn't do so well as it was such a culture shock. I was an only child, no brothers either.

I encouraged DD to go to a mixed school, same school as her brother and she wishes she went to an all girls school as the boys are annoying!!

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:02

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 10:01

All the more reason for girls school then Smile

Why?
Another thing you'll need to enlighten us on?

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 10:03

Probably because girls are constantly told they are at a disadvantage so they begin to believe it. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy to some extent.

Why do some schools manage to create at atmosphere where girls genuinely feel on a level playing field and yet others don’t? At primary level, my experience is that girls and boys happily played together. Girls happily joined in playing football with the boys for example. Boys happily took part in optional dance lessons. At secondary, if anything, it’s the girls who often have more to say in lessons!

I’m not saying that I disagree with single sex education. It probably suits some children (probably quieter girls for example). I’m saying that the demand for single sex education is decreasing for a reason. Many people don’t see a need for it. That’s why some single sex schools are becoming co-Ed. If they could fill all their places several times over and had huge demand there’d be no reason to change.

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 10:03

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:02

Why?
Another thing you'll need to enlighten us on?

Teachers can’t favour girls if they’re away in their own schools! Removes sex based discrimination altogether. You’ve made my argument for me.

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:04

DataColour · 14/05/2024 10:02

Same here. All girls academic school, did brilliantly, went to a top uni and didn't do so well as it was such a culture shock. I was an only child, no brothers either.

I encouraged DD to go to a mixed school, same school as her brother and she wishes she went to an all girls school as the boys are annoying!!

We all find people 'annoying', as evidenced by this thread, we have to learn to cope with that.
(I distinguish annoying from being bullied, just to make that clear).

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 10:05

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 10:03

Teachers can’t favour girls if they’re away in their own schools! Removes sex based discrimination altogether. You’ve made my argument for me.

Nope, youve actually proved my point.
You're so blinkered you don't even see it.

lemonmeringueno3 · 14/05/2024 10:07

I don't think you need to be angry op. It's just market forces. Nobody wants them so they haven't got the numbers to stay open.

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