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To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?

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FaeryRing · 12/05/2024 20:38

Yet again it’s been proven girls do better in single sex schools (I have a son as well as a daughter so please don’t think I’m ’hating on boys’).

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

In my hometown growing up there were 4 girls schools. 1 grammar, 1 private, and 2 regular secondaries, meaning pretty much all parents regardless of background had access to single sex education for their daughters if they wanted it.

2 have announced their plans to go Co-Ed, with 1 already having done so, leaving just 1 (the grammar, so working class girls will be inherently disadvantaged). This seems to be a pattern across the country.

AIBU to be angry this is happening? Can’t girls have anything to themselves?

Girls do better in exams at all-girls schools than mixed, research finds | Schools | The Guardian

Pupils in girls’ schools in England outperform girls with similar records and backgrounds in mixed schools, analysis says

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:22

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:20

Nobody’s ever managed it and girls shouldn’t be the price of a social experiment.

Why do you hate boys so much?

Another76543 · 13/05/2024 07:22

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:20

Nobody’s ever managed it and girls shouldn’t be the price of a social experiment.

There are lots of co-Ed schools where boys behave and treat girls with respect, and where any sign of inappropriate behaviour is dealt with robustly (including my own co-Ed school and the one my children attend).

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:23

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:22

Why do you hate boys so much?

😂

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Comedycook · 13/05/2024 07:25

If girls are apparently bitchy then that to me is even more reason to send her to a girls school. If she is in a class of thirty with half being girls and a few are nasty then she is left with a very small pool of nice ones to be friends with. If she's in a class of thirty girls and a few are bitchy, then there are more likely to be a greater number of pleasant girls for her to be friends with.

My dd was in a very boy heavy primary school class...9 girls to 21 boys. It was really difficult and a very negative experience for her overall

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:25

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:23

😂

No actual answer then?

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:29

Another76543 · 13/05/2024 07:22

There are lots of co-Ed schools where boys behave and treat girls with respect, and where any sign of inappropriate behaviour is dealt with robustly (including my own co-Ed school and the one my children attend).

Boys take up much more space in the playground.
They get more teacher time and the girls are neglected because of this.
They are more likely to show aggressive or high level disruptive behaviour.
I’m willing to bet sexual assaults in school, upskirting and so on is very predominantly carried out by boys.

This is just a natural extension of the fact men perpetrate most crime and antisocial behaviour.

It’s funny how on here teen boys are protected and excused at all costs yet the second they turn 18 they become men who are very much critiqued on here and held to account. Is there a link, possibly?

Either way, I love and adore my son but acknowledge the benefits of single sex and think it’s a real shame the choice is being increasingly stripped from parents whose boys or girls would be a good fit for it.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/05/2024 07:29

Bearbookagainandagain · 12/05/2024 21:09

I would be glad if my local schools were doing this by the time my daughter goes to secondary school. I don't see the point of raising her in a vacuum, that's not the reality of the world they live in.
I also don't like the idea that my son has to be "kept away" so girls can thrive (or because he might harass or sexuality assault them apparently - WTF is wrong with some of you?!).

I grew up in a country where this segregation doesn't exist, girls are doing very well at school thank you (better than boys at all levels).

WTF is wrong? Experience of being assaulted and of trying to hold back the constant onslaught of male entitlement with students, that's what.

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:29

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:25

No actual answer then?

No because it’s so ridiculous

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:31

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:29

No because it’s so ridiculous

I'm basing my question on all of your previous (often unfounded and/or judgemental) comments. So, why do you hate boys?

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:32

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:31

I'm basing my question on all of your previous (often unfounded and/or judgemental) comments. So, why do you hate boys?

Which parts are unfounded?

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:33

NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/05/2024 07:29

WTF is wrong? Experience of being assaulted and of trying to hold back the constant onslaught of male entitlement with students, that's what.

I have met just as many, in fact more, entitled girls and women (some of the posts on here exemplify that).

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:34

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:33

I have met just as many, in fact more, entitled girls and women (some of the posts on here exemplify that).

Ahhhh you only have boys don’t you? And no daughters. So, no vested interest in girls, just ‘why do you want to exclude my DS sob

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:34

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:32

Which parts are unfounded?

The ones I've already challenged you on, there's one about 10 posts back.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:35

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:34

Ahhhh you only have boys don’t you? And no daughters. So, no vested interest in girls, just ‘why do you want to exclude my DS sob

You realise this comment makes one person look worse than they already do - clue, it's not me.
Why do you hate boys?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/05/2024 07:35

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:33

I have met just as many, in fact more, entitled girls and women (some of the posts on here exemplify that).

Not that many who have raped or sexually assaulted other girls though, I suspect. Which is what I was referring to, male entitlement to female bodies.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:36

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:29

Boys take up much more space in the playground.
They get more teacher time and the girls are neglected because of this.
They are more likely to show aggressive or high level disruptive behaviour.
I’m willing to bet sexual assaults in school, upskirting and so on is very predominantly carried out by boys.

This is just a natural extension of the fact men perpetrate most crime and antisocial behaviour.

It’s funny how on here teen boys are protected and excused at all costs yet the second they turn 18 they become men who are very much critiqued on here and held to account. Is there a link, possibly?

Either way, I love and adore my son but acknowledge the benefits of single sex and think it’s a real shame the choice is being increasingly stripped from parents whose boys or girls would be a good fit for it.

Points one and two are, quite frankly, ridiculous and baseless.

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 13/05/2024 07:38

One size doesn’t fit all.
for some single sex is right. For others it’s not

it’s right the right school for the right child

Greengablesfables · 13/05/2024 07:39

My daughters went to a mixed prep school and enjoyed it. The boys were more disruptive of course but they’d just say they ignored them. The main issue was when the boys wouldn’t let one of my daughters play football, but another boy stood up for her. They are still friends. It’s usually down to individuals in this life.

They now go to an all girls school and love it. As do I. I’m glad they’re putting off having to deal with boys /men til later. We get enough of them later in life. I think they will be better able to deal with the obvious negatives when they’re older, they don’t need to put up with it now, frankly.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:39

NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/05/2024 07:35

Not that many who have raped or sexually assaulted other girls though, I suspect. Which is what I was referring to, male entitlement to female bodies.

You're making a really, really, really large jump there.

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:40

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:36

Points one and two are, quite frankly, ridiculous and baseless.

https://thegirlsplayproject.com/

https://izajole.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40172-018-0069-4

Not baseless when there are studies.

I will no longer be engaging with you, because you are clearly just here feeling insulted on your DS’s behalf. You have no vested interest in the education of girls and do not care about them.

The Play Equity Project

Promoting every child's right to play

https://thegirlsplayproject.com/

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:42

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:40

https://thegirlsplayproject.com/

https://izajole.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40172-018-0069-4

Not baseless when there are studies.

I will no longer be engaging with you, because you are clearly just here feeling insulted on your DS’s behalf. You have no vested interest in the education of girls and do not care about them.

Sure, return to your echo chamber (if you've ever really left it).
Still no answer as to why you hate boys so much either.
It's interesting you're confidently assuming I don't care about girls just because I actually value girls and boys. Your sexism isn't ok.

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:42

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:42

Sure, return to your echo chamber (if you've ever really left it).
Still no answer as to why you hate boys so much either.
It's interesting you're confidently assuming I don't care about girls just because I actually value girls and boys. Your sexism isn't ok.

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You’re just making yourself look silly now.

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x2boys · 13/05/2024 07:43

The only single-sex schools I know of are private schools ,but we also don't have Grammar schools and haven't done since the 70 s.

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:44

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 13/05/2024 07:38

One size doesn’t fit all.
for some single sex is right. For others it’s not

it’s right the right school for the right child

I agree. I definitely wouldn’t want all schools to be single sex, I just think ideally parents would have a choice and it’s a shame the remaining few seem to be merging.

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 13/05/2024 07:44

FaeryRing · 13/05/2024 07:42

You’re just making yourself look silly now.

Sure.
You keep repeating that and not answering why you hate boys so much.
It's really echoey in here.

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