To think most women on here hate men

[Tanyahawkes]

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

Most women who work part-time are caring for others and managing households. They work at least 60 hour weeks, half of that unpaid.

The older I get the more I feel like this about everyone, just add all forms of bias, privilege and dickish behaviour to misogyny! I don't think this approach as you get older only applies to men and misogyny. Everyone can behave badly.

Incidentally, I am more than happy to support men in advocating for their mental health, in fundraising for refuges from domestic violence and in campaigning for more family friendly working practices. I'm just not prepared to take the lead. Go for it guys. I'm right behind you.

Would you say that it would be 'weird' or 'sad' or 'strange' if most zebras hated lions? Or most rabbits hated dogs?

Statistically speaking, men present the biggest threat to my life. They are the most likely to harass, hurt, abuse, rape, torture or kill me. Not to mention that I live in a society where the laws and rules of order have been created by men to firstly and predominantly serve their best interests before my own.

The world I live in has been designed to cater to men. The medication I take is more likely to have been tested on men so it is unlikely to work optimally for my physiology; the safety of the car I drive has been tested on male bodies so I'm statistically more likely to die in a car crash than a man: the 'optimal' temperature setting for air conditioning units is set to cater to male physiology so I am likely to spend my entire working life being cold; the height of my kitchen cabinets are designed to cater to the average male height so I can't even use all of my kitchen in the way I need to. These are just a couple of disparate examples of how the world has been designed to cater to men, and women are expected to just deal with it.

So men are my primary predators, they have created a system that predominantly serves their needs, and have created a world that predominantly caters to their bodies and way of life. And you're surprised that I am not a fan?

If you're not angry then you're clearly not paying attention.

There is certainly a noticeable volume of anti-male sentiment. It doesn't bother me and I am a man. I assume the majority of those posters were not born hating males but have come to feel as they do due to their lived experiences. This is one of the few corners of the internet where women can find support so it is naturally going to feel welcoming to those who have been the victims of abuse, misogyny, male violence and sexism. Maybe if the world was a more equal place and less men treated women as badly as too many do there would be less anti-male sentiment on here.

No, it's always been this bad. Citation - the whole of human history.

I'm not a fan of men and in rl I don't know many woman who are.
I don't mind my husband but I was very glad to have daughters.

It's not actually anti male though, just anti male abuse. Sadly, male abuse of women is widespread and normal, so that logically has to be taken into account when weighing matters up.

I'm not anti my husband, son or male friends at all.

Translation: somebody disagrees with me and I don't have a response so I'm sticking my fingers in my ears. 🤣

And disagreeing with the 'feminist perspective' doesn't make you an MRA. It makes you part of the majority of women.

Please stop burbling MRA nonsense at me, thanks.

Oh what a suprise the thread has now turned into a tirade of how women are driving men to suicide by working part time of all things

But where are the cries of "woman haters" OP? Or is it fine for people to spew bile about women?

On balance, yes. It does seem like a pretty weak wind-up.

We all know this site is full of MRAs and the kind of 'pick-me' brand of women who seem determined to help put other women in their place and do the work of the patriarchy for them. Not least the more sinister ones, who never fail to appear on threads posted by desperate women who are victims of the most horrendous abuse to inform everyone helpfully that NAMALT, or Not My Nigel. They are the ones who really get my blood up, as is doubtless the intention of those posting their unimaginative, interminably-regurgitated shitola.

By comparison this kind of thread is a very tame effort: akin to the ones that appear on a weekly basis to say how awful this site is and how it's populated by mean vipers who are rude and selfish (the ultimate censorious accusations usually leveled at women).

Tedious.

Spending 30 hours doing housework without any kids at home? That's just taking the piss. Somehow those of us that work full time manage to do it in a few hours a week.

😂😂😂

But do they know they're humorous? Or is that a happy accident?

But that's not what happens.

Most MNers are very fair, too fair at times. When a woman posts that it's her birthday and her partner hasn't made any fuss of her, invariably posters will respond with 'Could he be planning a surprise?'

You're seeing what you want to see, OP.

Do you have a job? Do you own or rent a house in your own name? Have you ever opened a line of credit? Did you go to university? Have you ever voted? Do you drive a car? Have you ever taken birth control? I hate to break it to you but if you do any of the above (plus countless other examples) then you have directly benefited from the work of all those pesky feminists that came before you, and you should appreciate that and thank them.

The work that the pesky feminists of today are doing will have a positive impact on the lives of women in future generations.

And all your so-called examples from your previous posts (none of which have any citations to back them up by the way) miss the fundamental point: patriarchy created the society we live in. If this society is causing more men to be depressed etc. that is still the fault of men. They need to look at themselves and get their house in order.

Women cannot be the constant labourers and sorter outers of everything I'm afraid. We should prioritise our needs and our health for once, just like men have done for millennia.

Oh I'm going with happy accident 🤣🤣

The current nutters with all their identity politics nonsense aren't anything like the feminists of decades past. Most feminists nowadays seem less capable than the average woman. Always looking for ways to be a victim/oppressed whilst the rest of us just get on with it.

@MarioIa I can actually understand your frustration when it comes to the identity politics issue, but it's important to separate that from feminism. That actually has absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and ID activists have more in common with MRAs than with feminists.

Perfect example: future generations of women will thank the feminists of today for sticking their heads out of the parapet to denounce the ID nonsense (while risking their own careers and mental health to do so), and for ensuring that women's hard-won sex-based protections are not trampled upon. Would the Cass Review have happened without those brave feminists? I doubt it. That's what feminism does, and ID politics actually represents the single biggest threat to feminism in the last few generations.

Please stop burbling MRA nonsense at me, thanks.

Fair comment.

A mere 20 minutes on the FWR boards would disavail you of that particular illusion, @MarioIa, although doubtless your disdain of feminists and feminism would preclude you from actually reading something concrete about it.

Had you done so, you'd be aware that many feminists are as impatient and angry with 'identity politics' as your average person. Not least, they are actively, fiercely and bravely opposing this - 'bravely' to the tune that some have already lost their livelihoods and others been subject to death and rape threats - for doing so. They are tirelessly challenging this nonsense in the courts, and if legal precedent is anything to go by, are largely winning (albeit sometimes it's a pyrrhic victory).

The feminists of today are courageous and scrupulous fighters. There's nothing approximating 'victimhood' about their behaviour. Ask Kathleeen Stock, Sarah Phillimore, Sarah Summers, Jo Phoenix, Maya Forstater, or groups like Fair Play for Women, Fair Cop, For Women Scotland, and numerous others.

You, meaning nothing disrespectfully of course, don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Damn straight.

I actually agree somewhat on the Self ID/trans issue, although I'm slightly conflicted as for many it seems to have usurped a lot of equally important issues and many posters have become monomaniacal about it.

But women needing to prioritise their health like men have for years? I'm not sure this is the case. Men are much worse at addressing health issues and part of that is the way our society dictates that men shouldn't complain/boys don't cry etc.

Men have had lower life expectancies for decades, probably longer, and yet worked an extra five years up until recently. And now women are possibly going to receive compensation for the inconvenience of equality being implemented whilst men get nothing for all those extra years worked.

If women had been working five years longer we'd never have heard the end of it!