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To think it’s hard for a middle class child to attend a working class school?

191 replies

emoliant · 05/05/2024 19:31

I mean a predominantly working class state school in a deprived area like an ex mining town. Where the child is one of the only middle class ones and gets bullied for being different or posh.

OP posts:
Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:36

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:29

It's better than being bullied for being poor. If anything it'll make them a better person

Why would being bullied make anyone a better person? And why do you assume that they’re a bad person to start with?

UnbelievableLie · 05/05/2024 22:37

Wtf is a middle class child?!

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 22:38

Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:36

Why would being bullied make anyone a better person? And why do you assume that they’re a bad person to start with?

Well it's assumed that all WC kids are bullies and bad people so what's the difference?

TheFunHasGone · 05/05/2024 22:39

I think this is bollocks

Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:39

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 22:38

Well it's assumed that all WC kids are bullies and bad people so what's the difference?

Who has assumed that? You’re just making things up on this thread 😁.

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 22:39

UnbelievableLie · 05/05/2024 22:37

Wtf is a middle class child?!

Lives in a big house with books and eats dinner at the table apparently.

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:41

Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:36

Why would being bullied make anyone a better person? And why do you assume that they’re a bad person to start with?

Just because I said it would make them a better person doesn't mean I assume they are bad, either. Mixing with children of differing classes will give the middle-class child insights into the struggles of working-class families.

'Bullying' in the context I'm thinking about is just teasing. I find it hard to believe that someone would be truly bullied down to having more money.

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 22:42

Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:39

Who has assumed that? You’re just making things up on this thread 😁.

So all the people on this thread who don't want their kids to go to WC schools have not assumed their kids will be bullied for being 'posh'?

imnotwhoyouthinkiam · 05/05/2024 22:45

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 22:39

Lives in a big house with books and eats dinner at the table apparently.

We live in a small house with books and eat dinner at the table. Maybe that's why my DC were bullied for being posh. Mind you, they were also bullied for being poor, for being gay and because I'm fat.
Kids are weird.

Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:45

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:41

Just because I said it would make them a better person doesn't mean I assume they are bad, either. Mixing with children of differing classes will give the middle-class child insights into the struggles of working-class families.

'Bullying' in the context I'm thinking about is just teasing. I find it hard to believe that someone would be truly bullied down to having more money.

I guess all those on the thread who have said it happened to them are lying then.

imnotwhoyouthinkiam · 05/05/2024 22:48

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:41

Just because I said it would make them a better person doesn't mean I assume they are bad, either. Mixing with children of differing classes will give the middle-class child insights into the struggles of working-class families.

'Bullying' in the context I'm thinking about is just teasing. I find it hard to believe that someone would be truly bullied down to having more money.

The kids that bullied my son to the point he refused to go to school said it was just 'teasing' as well. It wasn't. It was bullying.

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:48

Youdontevengohere · 05/05/2024 22:45

I guess all those on the thread who have said it happened to them are lying then.

Bullied for being financially stable, oh, the horrors. I'm sure they'll get over it.

Harara · 05/05/2024 22:49

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:29

It's better than being bullied for being poor. If anything it'll make them a better person

Nope. Being bullied for 5 formative years has not made me a better person. What is has done is given me a pretty misanthropic view of human nature in general since I’ve had a lot of exposure to the uglier side of it, discouraged me from having kids (since I just can’t bear the thought of potentially watching them go through what I went through), led to lasting low self-confidence and depression and a period of self-harm in my early 20s, slowed down career progression a lot despite stellar academic results since I had to deal with the depression first, which has had a knock on effect on gaining financial independence, being in a position to form relationships, buying a house, etc, and made forming relationships and friendships continuingly difficult since I don’t like myself and have the tendency to assume that other people won’t like me. So, on the whole, I wouldn’t say I recommend it.

FWIW I know several other people my age who were bullied for prolonged periods at school and they’ve all had periods of depression in adulthood (at best). I’m not saying it has to be that way, but I think the potential link is pretty well established.

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:52

Harara · 05/05/2024 22:49

Nope. Being bullied for 5 formative years has not made me a better person. What is has done is given me a pretty misanthropic view of human nature in general since I’ve had a lot of exposure to the uglier side of it, discouraged me from having kids (since I just can’t bear the thought of potentially watching them go through what I went through), led to lasting low self-confidence and depression and a period of self-harm in my early 20s, slowed down career progression a lot despite stellar academic results since I had to deal with the depression first, which has had a knock on effect on gaining financial independence, being in a position to form relationships, buying a house, etc, and made forming relationships and friendships continuingly difficult since I don’t like myself and have the tendency to assume that other people won’t like me. So, on the whole, I wouldn’t say I recommend it.

FWIW I know several other people my age who were bullied for prolonged periods at school and they’ve all had periods of depression in adulthood (at best). I’m not saying it has to be that way, but I think the potential link is pretty well established.

My making them a 'better person' comment was about mixing in a school with working-class children, not the bullying.

Yes, I agree bullying is horrific. Teased for being middle class; however, not so much.

Coughsweet · 05/05/2024 22:53

Round my way the MC kids are the biggest pissheads because they have more money for booze. Also bigger houses so more likely to have the parties where the majority of the boozing goes on. The parents seem far more alert to the extent of vaping in the toilets in the local WC schools than they are of the fug of strawberry flavoured vap juice emanating from the cubicles of their own MC kids school. IME people tend to hear what they expect to hear.

WearyAuldWumman · 05/05/2024 22:57

StamppotAndGravy · 05/05/2024 19:40

I got bullied miserably for being posh and academic (definitely not, let middle at best) but I'd have also been bullied for being poor, dumb or spotty so I'm not sure it's representative. I wonder if the kids from tougher backgrounds have less self confidence and are more likely to bully though to deflect from themselves

I was bullied at primary for not having new clothes.

At secondary we had uniform - much to my relief. Then I was bullied for being posh and rich: "You think you're big because your dad has plenty money!"

"No, he hasn't! My dad's a coalminer!"

"No he's NOT!"

NB The primary and secondary bullies overlapped. One of them was the local Police Inspector's daughter.

Coughsweet · 05/05/2024 22:58

And on this thread it seems to be mainly parents who experienced bullying for being “posh” back when they were at school (and it is bullying, not character building adversity training) and there have been fewer comments about the current generation of children so maybe things are improving.

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 23:00

The MC kids who my common oik of a son was friends with were all stoners. And yes, their parties were wild when their parents went away.

Neodymium · 05/05/2024 23:01

I agree - I went to a school in an area that was classified as severely disadvantaged. We lived there as the large industry factory that was located there had company accomodation for managers. Everyone else in the town lived there for the extremely cheap housing. I didn’t really understand or think I was better than anyone but I knew that I was different. I was also extremely bright and so that made me feel like an outsider too. I never really had good friends and was treated like an outsider by the other kids too. When we would see other family friends, I remember them saying things about my povo school. We didn’t have many opportunities, like music programs or languages.

Rainbowshit · 05/05/2024 23:04

Misthios · 05/05/2024 19:54

Ignore the chippy comments, OP.

It was a long time ago but I was in a secondary school like that, a very large very mixed comprehensive. There were 360 kids in my year - 12 classes of 30. I was relentlessly bullied for the first 2 years for doing my homework, not swearing, not telling the teacher to fuck off, not smoking, being a virgin, getting good marks in tests. It was a bit better at the start of 3rd year (Scotland) when we were streamed by ability and the kids in my classes were the ones who wanted to be there and wanted to learn. Most of the disruptive kids left during S4, either because they were old enough or just stopped attending. Last two years were better, the number of kids in the year shrunk from 360 to about 60 staying on for Highers. I think about 25-30 of us went to uni.

For my own kids, we have purposely chosen to stretch ourselves and buy a house in catchment for a really good school where the demographic is very different and the kids are there to learn and not be disruptive bullies.

Identical experience to me.

Harara · 05/05/2024 23:04

commonsense12 · 05/05/2024 22:29

It's better than being bullied for being poor. If anything it'll make them a better person

Let’s hope for some good luck ey, maybe you’ll get reincarnated as a middle-class child who gets badly bullied for five years for being so, and then you can experience its purifying and positive effects for yourself. Fingers crossed!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 23:06

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 19:33

Must be ghastly having to mix with the thick plebs.

Well, yes if they are bullying you I imagine it is.

Wish44 · 05/05/2024 23:06

Yes ! This happened to me… one of the only middle class children in my primary school. Of course as kids we didn’t know about class/ money etc but kids KNOW when someone is different… I had no friends , everyone thought I was strange and I was bullied a bit. We then moved to a more MC areas and on the end of day 1 at the new school I had more friends than I had ever had . I still remember the joy of walking home with a group of girls who seemed to
want to be my friend… one of those girls is still my best friend. I reflect sometimes how different my life would have been ifl my parents hadn’t moved…

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 23:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 23:06

Well, yes if they are bullying you I imagine it is.

Another one who assumes all WC kids are bullies.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 23:10

moonlitmaze · 05/05/2024 23:09

Another one who assumes all WC kids are bullies.

No. Please learn to read. The OP is specifically talking about a child who is being bullied.

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