To finally be looking forward to a GE?

[Cadela]

The past election/PM changes have been horrendous. The visceral disappointment was awful each time.

I can’t wait to actually celebrate this year. I know, I know, Labour are going to set fire to the economy and tax everyone £3mil each and it’ll cost you 4 trillion a month to send you kid to private school, and all women will perish immediately because only Tories know what a woman is

But finally! It’s been a long fucking time coming.

What happened to I do find it objectionable how some people have an opinion on the way other people vote and denigrate them for it.?

Nice try. I'm commenting on the original post about Brexit.

@oui i apologise. I agree that many NHS professionals are woefully underpaid. I was responding to a poster who worked for the NHS but not in a medical role.

Junior doctors are still paid significantly less than many, many jobs that require no qualifications and little responsibility.

This study will explain more

https://ifs.org.uk/news/removing-tax-exemptions-private-schools-likely-have-little-effect-numbers-private-sector

The evidence suggests that putting VAT on private school fees would have a relatively limited effect on numbers attending private schools – perhaps a reduction of 3–7% in private school attendance. Even that reduction would have limited impact on tax revenues as money not spent on school fees would likely be spent on other goods and services on which VAT would be payable. If some pupils do move to the state sector, extra school spending of about £100–300 million per year is likely to be required in the medium to long run. But it should be remembered that pupil numbers in the state sector are expected to fall dramatically over the next decade and state schools might therefore welcome extra pupils moving from the private sector.

People seem very confident in their predictions but no one knows what the effect will be. However, we can be sure of one thing in life these days. The applicability of the law of unintended consequences.

As you friend Suella has said, start shovelling

Oh dear @Anuggetofpurestgreen, was that the best insult you could throw?!

@ComeAlongPeggy ‘At the moment, SEN provision for my children in the state sector doesn’t work. I have tried and failed to make it work.’

You don’t see the irony here? The reason it doesn’t work for your children is the systematic defunding of the state system BY THE TORIES. This has put thousands and thousands of poorer and SEND children at supreme disadvantage. You’re arguing for more families to be put in a position, that you claim has led to you living meagrely to support your children’s private education.

I get that you’re being an advocate for YOUR children but it’s this general attitude of well I can afford it so to hell with everyone else that drives many people potty and has led to this government being able to get away with ruining the state education system for the children and parents who have NO CHOICE!

The reason it doesn’t work for your children is the systematic defunding of the state system BY THE TORIES

as graph below shows

@Usernamechange1234 yes. But only I can advocate for my children now. Not in the hope that in 5 years time things might be better under labour (who have said very little about Sen provision).

Aspirations for children with Sen are often so low. Especially when they are academically very able, but with dyslexia/ASD in the mix.

The approach the Guardian take is of lumping anyone that doesn't agree with their world view into a box, applying uniform negative characteristics with absolutely no balance or actual evidence (eg all Tory voters think X; all Brexit voters think Y) and then constructing their argument accordingly using those descriptions to denigrate other people who profess a different view to them.

Whether that's something you've been doing on this thread I can't comment.

While I admire your passion and excitement about a Labour government and I'm envious you seem to still have hope in a positive change, the cynic in me having voted positively in many elections makes me think this one is different, no change will be forthcoming. So its a waste of time getting excited about it really. All the parties are all the same.

thank you @DuncinToffee . That explains it very well. The argument from private school parents is always about the pressure on State schools when thousands of privately educated children are forced to move to them because of VAT on fees, but everything I've read says it will have a negligible effect.

It is so depressing that people don't see the bigger picture when deciding how to vote. As long as they're alright, sod everyone else. I really hope that there aren't too many people like @ComeAlongPeggy when we get to the GE.

The policy is a poor one but this is a reason against. We’re lucky with state I know that, but I feel for dc in your case. They are being hit with the political gimmick

This being a good case in point, everyone, as to someone denigrating someone else personally, for the crime of disagreeing with them politically.

But do you acknowledge that the TORIES have put you in this position?

And that you’d still push for others to vote TORY because it suits YOU?

I dont think shes pushing for anyone to vote a particular way. I think she's just speaking for herself? Which is all anyone can do.

Apologies..."she" being @ComeAlongPeggy, not the cats mother!

This is ridiculous. There are many ways Labour could advocate for funding SEN rather than making private school parents pay this special tax. The underfunding of SEN is not their fault. It's wrong and divisive and will have unintended consequences for the whole education system in some areas.

It is plain silly to expect desperate parents who have found a way to help their child to stand back and say they won't do it because other children don't get the same help. If your child is suffering and you can do something about it, why wouldn't you? This isn't about buying privilege - this is about making sure your child gets something that is actually quite basic and often taken for granted by parents living near good state schools that meet their child's needs.

True. She hasn’t.

But I seriously don’t understand how anyone can want to vote for the party who has caused them to live meagrely so they can continue to privately educate their children WHEN with proper funding this should never have been the case. It’s bonkers.

I don’t think it matters who gets in. With so many people not paying in and those that do - being taxed into a lack of productivity. I’ve no idea where the money for anyone’s policies is coming from. Labour are going very quiet on their high tax and keeping the welfare bill and state spending up. So I don’t think this amazing turn around will be coming.

We don't have any money for proper funding of anything. That's not going to change no matter who is in power. I'm also quite interested in potholes btw and Labour's approach to them, as round here there's more pot than road.

Exactly this. An ever decreasing number of net tax contributors is not sustainable. I haven’t seen a single thing from any party about how we are going to improve things and, more importantly, how that is going to be funded.

Exactly. So all the hope about more funding for this and more money for that is just pie I the sky. I remember thinking during the pandemic with all the furlough and eat out to help out cash being splashed around that there's going to be a big reckoning after and its going to be absolutely sh*t. Things haven't even started yet and it's going to get a lot worse. So tinkering at the edges about private schools is just fiddling while Rome burns. But good luck to Labour anyway.

I think it very much depends where you live.

Mine are well supported and thriving academically in state school with small class sizes.

Doctors are in demand so perhaps moving might be an option if this comes in.

This is a lot of the problem. There’s too much inequality in the state system. Some people really don’t have a choice of a great state school. We need to fix the education system; from the bottom up, not top down.

I don't disagree.

This won't be done under the tories who have made inequality far worse than could ever have been imagined.