To finally be looking forward to a GE?

[Cadela]

The past election/PM changes have been horrendous. The visceral disappointment was awful each time.

I can’t wait to actually celebrate this year. I know, I know, Labour are going to set fire to the economy and tax everyone £3mil each and it’ll cost you 4 trillion a month to send you kid to private school, and all women will perish immediately because only Tories know what a woman is

But finally! It’s been a long fucking time coming.

Hang on...have you just admitted it was the Conservatives that dreamt up the idea of the NHS?!

There’s a lot to unpick in the phrase ‘motivated parents’…
We’ve been in cost of living crisis in which many families have struggled to heat their homes and feed their children (look at food bank usage rate increases) while others have continued to afford private education, buy properties in the best school catchments, etc. Essentially, this is just more of the same entitlement and privilege.
As in my own personal experience, if people want to use that to cheat/fraud/lie their child into what they see as a better education then so be it, but shame on them and it might not always be the investment they think it is. Young people can and do succeed at non-Outstanding state schools in spite of Tory underfunding and social policy thanks to many other factors - wonderful teachers, supportive families with values, community mentors, natural ability, etc. I know because I was one of them, so I don’t have the fear about oversubscribed outstanding state schools. I do however fear giving the Tories a mandate to destroy what’s left of our Education and Healthy systems. To be honest, I’m more interested in the policies Labour have discussed about early intervention in Education, proposals for quality housing, NHS reform, etc., all of which will impact on a child’s life chances. So many of us have a much wider context in which to place this furore over private school VAT.

I'm not holding my breath labour will win. I think people who vote tory just go and quietly do it every time even though they know it might be a selfish choice.

For the first time in my adult life though I have hope that labour actually could win, so it is exciting. I've never felt like it was a real possibility before.

I linked the thread as it has posts about legal methods, I doubt fraud will be the go to for ex private parents, they won’t need to as they’ll use property purchase or other to access top state.

This is the actual impact plus some children displaced and bursaries cut, both are a shame. I can’t see much to counteract as the funding is tiny if much at all.

No.

If austerity was implemented in 2008 that would have been under a labour government, would it not @BIWI. Sounds like you aren't really sure yourself.

As far as I remember when the tories won in 2010, Gordon Brown and his government has spent all the money. If I remember correctly Liam Byrne left a note to the incoming government that there was no money left. Hence austerity.

Anyway I digress. The Tories need to go. They are beholden to the awful right wing hideousness of Rees Mogg and Bravermen etc. These people think the tories need to move more the right and that's why they did so badly in the local elections. Unfathomable!

Labour will win. Starmer isn't the greatest and I agree that they aren't articulating anything that clearly with regard their policies. Except the VAT on private school fees (which is not well thought out IMO).

The reality is most governments are constrained by the same things and achieve very little.

Also with regard to PP voting Tory as she's worried about the VAT thing. We all vote what we think will suit our circumstances best and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

£1.6billion in VAT will help hugely with the £150 million ( and rising)school buildings and RAAC crisis bill.

When did Google become gospel?

AR is bound to come up more on Google than ND - ND is a nobody and her book with it's pint sized comment won't have had much of an impact on the algorithms of Google. AR is a big shot in comparison and likely to be in the next government.

It really surprises me that so many people are still open to voting conservatives after all the issues of the past 14 years in government eg the state of country, public services, misappropriation of funds during Covid, partygate, Liz Truss trashing the economy, MP’s giving out private details due to being blackmailed over elicit pics, the many scandals, the many changes of pm, all the infighting etc.I just find it 🤯.
i am not saying vote for Labour, I am just surprised that people don’t choose a different party.

Oh OK. You SEEMED to but no. I just got a bit overexcited there for a moment.

Well the videos that come up top showing her actually saying it are rather an issue for your it didn’t happen

You can try and get it all removed if you have the time, good luck

Yeah I don't think that's a correct reading of the room. People still don't like Labour, they just don't like the Conservatives either any more.

Whenever you're ready. I wouldn't like to be left thinking you're not influenced by truth.

Nobody says it didn't happen. Lots of people are pointing out she was quoting Nadine Dorries. Are you finding it hard to keep up?

Oh so sorry. Apologies. I just really couldn't be bothered. Let's just say you won that one whatever it was.

Are you finding it hard to not get so upset about Ang and the multiple articles and videos?

I couldn’t give a shit who you attribute it to people will see it’s Ang and remember that. So what about whoever you’re pushing.

Maybe she should hold off on the juvenile comments if they reflect so poorly on her as a person 🤷‍♀️

As far as I remember when the tories won in 2010, Gordon Brown and his government has spent all the money. If I remember correctly Liam Byrne left a note to the incoming government that there was no money left. Hence austerity

Oh dear Lord. Change the script, please.

It was probably about Nadine anyway don’t worry

I don’t have a lot to dislike labour about- as opposed to the conservatives of whom I have a staggering amount to dislike. And Braverman, Reece Mogg, Stride et al…..go on wanting even more ultra right wing shit.

Ok, I really hope that you are right. What I am seeing is there is still a lot of support for the conservatives, all be it in a not very obvious way sometimes.

As far as I remember when the tories won in 2010, Gordon Brown and his government has spent all the money. If I remember correctly Liam Byrne left a note to the incoming government that there was no money left. Hence austerity.

Not only was austerity ideological but it didn’t work.

Sunak-

'The country doesn't need more political horse trading, but action. We are the only party that has a plan to deliver on the priorities of the people.'

Err you’ve had 14 years, the horse trading has been entirely in the Tory party which has thrown an entire country under the bus to facilitate over and again. They have no idea and simply don’t care about the priorities of the people.

They honestly think we’re all stupid. The arrogance is both astounding and scary.

No I would say most Tory voters are fed up and not sure how to vote now. But they don't like Labour.

What do people think of Reform? They aren't my bag and I'm a ballot defacer. But they look like they might be number 3 or even 2 if the tories implode (although PR suggest not). Loads of red wall ex labour voters where I am love them and might vote for them instead of back to Labour. Although currently I don't think it will make much difference to the outcome.

Fraud as in buying a smaller property within a catchment area and using that address for your school application main address, which remains empty while you reside at your much larger family home elsewhere.
There is often a huge shortage of ‘suitable’ properties for those ex-private school, ‘motivated’ parents in the most sought-after catchment areas. This happens quite a lot already too.
As an aside, tax fraud and evasion is currently leaving a tax gap of billions in this country; this is of course the wealthy too - they don’t need to that either, but they do.

Except it won't be 1.6billion. 2 reports gave now blown holes in the IFS claims and it is looking more likely to be a net figure of 0.8-1 billion which under 1% of annual budget and has already been spent (not on school buildings).