To finally be looking forward to a GE?

[Cadela]

The past election/PM changes have been horrendous. The visceral disappointment was awful each time.

I can’t wait to actually celebrate this year. I know, I know, Labour are going to set fire to the economy and tax everyone £3mil each and it’ll cost you 4 trillion a month to send you kid to private school, and all women will perish immediately because only Tories know what a woman is

But finally! It’s been a long fucking time coming.

But no more fragile than state kids who don’t have the privilege of family wealth or private education and cope with moving schools up and down the land.

The children with the most severe SEN will have an EHCP like my child. Parents can request a review.

Having seen what is happening in state schools currently, then I understand that if you have a child in crisis and the option/privilege to move them then you would.
However, I can’t balance that with a vote for the continuation of the same government who have damaged the state education system so horrendously in the last 14 years.
We’ll know more about from Labour once they get the chance to release their manifesto; what I’ve read/heard about their policies on early intervention certainly sounds like a vast improvement.

I think there could be a way around this.

If a child is entitled to DLA, then make their school fees exempt from VAT, in the same way that disabled people are exempt from paying VAT for certain goods.

No. But for the child involved all that is irrelevant. They are experiencing an upheaval and I feel bad for them as with any other kid. You won’t change my mind on that.

Ok well I guess some of us are more used to seeing children experience proper upheaval on a regular basis and are able to put a move from a private school to a state school in context. Many will wait until they’d naturally move schools(end of primary or GCSEs) anyway.

On the other point this is a good thread detailing the lengths motivated parents will go to to access top oversubscribed state, expect extra motivated well funded parents doing more as the policy kicks in

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5069117-to-be-annoyed-a-friend-lied-about-their-address-on-a-school-application-to-get-into-an-oversubscribed-school?reply=135057912

I am most surprised you have not read Nadine Dorres' book.
You might find it enlightening.

It happens anyway. It’s not old news and the type of catchments they’re looking for and squabbling over the majority. It’s the same set of parents.

Fewer privately educated children being over represented in the top unis, jobs and public life will be a positive to counteract any squabbling over £500k and above houses.

majority can’t afford

The change you want still won’t happen due to this policy.

And yes competition over state already happens, expect more of it, it’s the actual impact in daily lives. Plus shifting dc, bursaries etc

No but it will free up more money which is the whole point of it. Hopefully they’ll look at other measures and we’ll finally have a government which tackles the over presentation of the privately educated in all the above.

It’s a disgrace this government has done nothing in 14 years.

'Basic and depressing'? So it would be ok if she dressed up her insults in some flowery Latinate language or tried to make it more witty? She called one person 'scum' based on something very specific and then immediately apologised, which is quite adult isn't it? Not like James Cleverly saying a town in the UK is a 'shithole,' and then refusing to own up and/or apologise because he was actually calling a fellow MP 'shit.'?

‘Pint size loser’ was that Rayner too?

I don’t get the cheerleading for that and the scum comment. It’s pretty juvenile.

There is little point arguing. The same posters are still at a loss to know why people might be outraged by a 56 year old having an illegal birthday party and lying about it to parliament.

No pint sized loser was Nadine Dorres.

I am surprised you have not read her book, I think you would find it most enjoyable.

@EasternStandard will you join me in condemning anyone who has lied to parliament?

https://www.politico.eu/article/pmqs-scorecard-angela-rayner-brands-rishi-sunak-pint-sized-loser/

‘ Adult In the room’ Ang. Apparently

Labour have been really dishonest about the way they have presented the VAT on school fees policy. Or many of their supporters have misunderstood it.

Private school parents are not benefitting from a tax loophole or robbing the exchequer in any way. Education is tax free. Having a highly educated population is good for a country so it is not seen as something you charge VAT on.

Because Labour feel it is morally wrong for parents to educate their children in private schools, they wish to penalise those parents by charging VAT on school fees. This is a new charge. Additional money that will have to be found by parents who were currently paying 100% cost of their children's education themselves.

I am sure Labour's projected £1.6 billion will cover all of that extra support costs of many SEN children moving back to the state system and the costs of educating PS school students who move because their parents can no longer afford it. Yes, that £1.6 billion which will reduce for every parent who moves their child from PS will definitely cover it and pay for all of Labour's other education plans. 😒

Labour are doing this for ideological reasons but is is also an economically illiterate plan, presented in a dishonest way, which makes me very wary of having them in Government.

Spoken like a typical Tory voter.

I can't have surgery I desperately need for over a year and spend every single day in appalling pain, disabled people are terrified that their PIP will be taken away and people are in food and fuel poverty, but you crack on with your complaining about the cost of private schooling, love.

I couldn't care less about tax on private school fees affecting your family. You voluntarily put yourself in that position by choosing expensive education in the first place; if you're overstretched it's nobody else's fault but your own. It also won't be a "disaster" for your family. Of course it won't. A "disaster" might be falling ill, losing your income and home. You have the choice to pull them out. They'll still be educated.

Leaving the Treasury after Labour’s victory in the 1964 election, the outgoing Tory chancellor Reginald Maudling wrote a note for his replacement, Jim Callaghan, or possibly (accounts vary) spoke to him in person: “Good luck, old cock, sorry to leave it in such a mess.”

Thereafter it became a Treasury tradition. But you know that, don’t you?

No I didn't. It sounds like a fun tradition. Although you slightly missed the essential point, it's good information and thank you for telling us.

This happens a lot anyway - it directly impacted us last year when my child missed out on a place at our only catchment school. I knew of many people doing short-term rents, putting relatives’ addresses, etc. A friend did report them and nothing happened. It was frustrating and upsetting yes, but what an example to demonstrate to your children that you can lie/cheat/fraud a system within a community of people you know. Ironically, the sought after school received an Ofsted downgrade at the start of the year.

@RobBeckettsGiantTeeth you could bother to read my subsequent posts. Love.

I would love to see labour get in but am not keen on kier stammer. Angela rayner taking the lead would be so much better.

The title is one thing, I’m not suggesting the extra parents will do that but if you read the thread you’ll see posts on legal ways motivated parents secure top state. The people moving will have funding to displace others.

That’ll ramp up. The daily impacts are what will happen, that’s what we’ll see as the extra funding is so tiny, if at all, it’ll be this this daily stuff instead.