to ask your thoughts on this? Fatal shooting during burglary

[itsjustataste]

Happened near me very recently and our community seems very torn with lots of people slinging insults at both sides. Lots of people shouting about playing stupid games, win stupid prizes etc... whilst others calling the shooter a murderer.

I find it very sad that someone so young has ultimately lost their life and has got mixed up in this sort of thing.

BUT that being said, I don't have any ill feeling toward the farmer either and cannot say that I wouldn't do the same if faced with 3 people breaking into my home, especially if I had my children in the house.

The other 2 suspects arrested for aggravated burglary meaning a weapon was involved and there had been a break in at the same home the night previously too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-68942085.amp

Dear God. Why did it take the police so long to get there?!

To take the drugs so what they planned was OK?
Or is this just shit peddled by the robbers family? If they were such Good boys why were they in the know, or were they defending the good of the area against the bad farmer?

Bollocks

Well the facts are multiple intruders, apparently armed in some way, entered his property and he shot one of them and they died.

Obviously there’s more to it but for me he doesn’t deserve to be prosecuted.

if the boys knew he had drugs, obviously they are dodgy too. But one drug gang stealing from another is very different situation to a burglary.

dies seem to be one or two people only saying this though. So wonder if it’s friends trying to smear the farmers name.

This is one of the worst things I have ever read, and I am old.

And he will be on the streets again in ten years time.

Maybe the next potential victim will be lucky enough to be armed.

All the bleeding hearts should read that report about the rape of the mother and the daughter. If you have teen girls it is more immediate. If a “benign” burglar loses his life on the off chance of avoiding that scenario well so be it.

Lucky you are in the minority then as most right minded people knowing the facts as they appear would find in favour of the farmer.

@TheaBrandt but all the bleeding heart will know its 'someone else's fault" these little scrotes poor damaged souls, have everyone else to blame, and should never be afforded responsibility for their actions. They can make demands and complaints about everyone else but no demands or blame to be placed on them.

Also, I don’t buy the ‘ only breaking in to steal weed’. cannabis plants won’t grow to anything like the strength needed for the opioid in the Peak District, just too cold and dark. So they would have to be in a barn with very intensive lights 20/ 7, which the Police might have noticed when they were there ten hours earlier ?

And the thieves would have had to harvest and take away a lot of leaves. And have access to processing…. Well , maybe, but that is serious trading what he means they were hired guns ( phrase) for people who had the facilities.

and no, not ‘ for personal use’. It needs drying curing and processing.

🛎 🦵.

We should have a right to protect our homes and children.

We've isolated places very rural near us. We've also empty shops and offices in towns. Cannabis farming has been found in both locations.One building was near a police station.

So casting aspersions on the farming community isn't really out there.

it'll all come out in the wash I expect.

By shooting people dead?

If they are going to break in and threatening to shout you dead, then yes.

People stealing weed crops is a business in itself so yeah generally the people that do it know how to dispose of it.

There's no indication to suggest that's what's happened here though, it's just people with active imaginations

Opiates, Opioids and cannabis are different things

two wrongs ?

cannabis plants won’t grow to anything like the strength needed for the opioid
Is there a cannabis/poppy hybrid?

I didn’t say anyone was a “poor victim”. We have a judicial system based on the principle of innocent until proved guilty. This thread is full of people who think the person who killed is automatically innocent and would either let him walk away without a trial or prejudge it without considering the evidence. What happens if he kills again? Is he still the victim?

He needs to be charged and tried, ideally by a jury that hasn’t decided he’s innocent before the trial even begins. Only then should he be allowed to walk away if the verdict is not guilty.

it could be debated or a dissertation written that covered and explained that one of the main problem is with modern media etc and peoples own individual points there will never be or unlikely to be a truly unbiased jury, and given the state of society at the moment chances are the verdict would already be agreed upon even before the trial would have took place

They were shot running away from his property.

And @Blossomtoes this thread is also full of those who seem to think the burglar is a cheeky chap out for japes and everything is.on another people!

thats quite alot of assumptions and the fact they only left their id etc was because of what the farmer did and whos to say what the quality of the cctv would of been ?

@dapsnotplimsolls How exactly are we to know the intentions of someone who breaks into our homes? Here to rape and murder? Maybe. Take them at their honest word. Please. It's incredibly fraught situation in which the burglars are the threat. They get what they get.