to ask your thoughts on this? Fatal shooting during burglary

[itsjustataste]

Happened near me very recently and our community seems very torn with lots of people slinging insults at both sides. Lots of people shouting about playing stupid games, win stupid prizes etc... whilst others calling the shooter a murderer.

I find it very sad that someone so young has ultimately lost their life and has got mixed up in this sort of thing.

BUT that being said, I don't have any ill feeling toward the farmer either and cannot say that I wouldn't do the same if faced with 3 people breaking into my home, especially if I had my children in the house.

The other 2 suspects arrested for aggravated burglary meaning a weapon was involved and there had been a break in at the same home the night previously too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-68942085.amp

Good for the farmer. I hope this sets a precedent that burglary will not be tolerated.

I agree.

If he ended up being charged and I was on the jury I'd find him not guilty.

Also with the farmer, if you enter someone's home it's a risk you take and you should 100% have the right to defend you and yours.

Yes. Dares include/included rape/sexual assault, breaking and entering, vandalism

Death is sometimes the consequence of murder however.

Another one in support of the farm owner here and not a jot of sympathy for the scum who decided to burgle a family home armed. Play with fire, you get burnt.

Let’s wait for the CPS make a charging decision.

Even if they do, I doubt a jury would convict. I mean, you can shoot a 16 year old kid in the back with an unlicensed shotgun as he’s walking along a public road and walk free: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/millionaire-shoots-boy-thinking-hes-29892533.amp

Team Farmer all the way.

In light of what had been happening around London that day running from the police because you're an illegal wasn't too clever. Had he been yet another bomber and the police had done nothing the same people criticising them would have been asking why they did nothing.

Maybe the Chatsworth reference was to Shameless which, lucky for the Peak District, was miles away.

IIRC, the burglar's family in that case were pretty rich. It wasn't a crime of necessity or deprivation, it was just a way of life to them.

It's very naive to think that burglars these days are motivated by poverty. It's mostly very organised and supports an affluent lifestyle. Particularly in the case of stealing dogs for fighting or breeding or farm equipment and tools, the thieves do it as a career. A relative had her car stolen a few months ago and the gang that did it were stealing several cars a day. When they were caught they were all found to be living lives of luxury and were certainly more affluent than my relative.

An elderly woman who lived close to a relative of mine was murdered by a teenage boy.

Years later, it emerged that he'd agreed to plead guilty to the murder charge on condition that the Procurator Fiscal drop the rape charge.

He's out now, with a different identity.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/horrified-family-murdered-pensioner-learns-10060470

Don't want to derail the thread but he wasn't running away from the police. That case was shocking, a complete travesty of police ineptitude and post-operation dishonesty. It wasn't the fault of the officers, it was the fault of Cressida Dick and her unbelievably bad decision-making.

Anyway, this is the case of a burglar being shot by a farmer in the course of committing an aggravated burglary and the comparison isn't relevant.

But he didn't run from the police! That later turned out to be a story the police had fabricated, but multiple witnesses contradicted.

If anyone's going to have a gun it's a farmer. What did they expect to happen? It's no great loss to this world

He didn't even know they were interested in him until they pulled the trigger. He didn't run, he wasn't dressed suspiciously, the police just made all that up

Good, hope it acts a deterrent to others.

OMG - I was just searching for the Go Fund me I contributed to for the farmer, but then saw the dead burglar's father has put up a Go Fund me to pay for his burglaro sons funeral and it has over £10,000 - words fail me. I hope it gets deleted

I know @Densol the fact that they have the audacity to call it an 'incident'... Good to see the farmers fund is better supported!

Exactly !! An incident 🤬
I feel like donating £0.001 so I can say how disgusting it is 🤬

Jesus Christ I can’t believe you’re still peddling this shit. At no point did Jean Charles de Menezes run from the police. He was never challenged by them. The police corrected this version of events within hours. The man some people saw jumping the ticket barrier was a police officer. Jean Charles de Menezes ran to get his train,the police followed him on and shot him.

What is it that isnt being reported, I assume yoiv are close to one or both of the families involved, can you give a general indication ?

The maximum penalty for aggravated burglary is life imprisonment. Given this is the charge for the surviving burglars, I would think (hope) that the farmer has a better chance of succeeding in his self defence claim.

The law (and courts) take a dim view of people who break into people's homes with weapons in order to steal. Because, if you're there with weapons, your aim is either to use them, or to convince the householder that you will use them if they don't let you steal everything you want to. It's a serious crime for a reason.

As somebody posted near the start of the thread, FAFO on behalf of the burglars. #teamfarmer