to ask your thoughts on this? Fatal shooting during burglary

[itsjustataste]

Happened near me very recently and our community seems very torn with lots of people slinging insults at both sides. Lots of people shouting about playing stupid games, win stupid prizes etc... whilst others calling the shooter a murderer.

I find it very sad that someone so young has ultimately lost their life and has got mixed up in this sort of thing.

BUT that being said, I don't have any ill feeling toward the farmer either and cannot say that I wouldn't do the same if faced with 3 people breaking into my home, especially if I had my children in the house.

The other 2 suspects arrested for aggravated burglary meaning a weapon was involved and there had been a break in at the same home the night previously too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-68942085.amp

"Cutting the hands off shoplifters?"

Definitely, if it's a repeat offence.

As for drink drivers, they should be banned from driving for life. If they're caught driving again they should be imprisoned.

@darksideofthestudio are the kids travellers ? How can you justify your kid breaking into a house armed ? You can’t more and more places are having private security firms places like Eaton Square common place and who can blame them we are not safe as civilians the law is weak and criminals know it

Did the burglars threaten the family? Were they there to harm the family or only to steal from them?

If only there was time for the farmer to ask them these questions and then ruminate on what to do. To weigh up the pro's and con's, in a thoroughly sensible manner. Perhaps go over all the options, just like someone on Who Wants To Be a Millionaire.

Or - is it possible, that at 1am, in the dark, when you find 3 men fin your house with weapons, with your children sleeping in the next room, that you make a life or death decision and shoot, before they have the chance to knock you out?

They’re all scum. I’ll happily lump them all together

"Apparently" being the word. You don't know what weapons they had. You don't know where on the property they were when he shot them. Any homeowner has the right to defend themselves, but you can't shoot people dead in any circumstance and not expect consequences.

Someone tried to break into our house a few years ago and I was surprised just how terrified I was. I am with the farmer, it’s incredibly scary and I’d do anything to protect my kids.

"but you shoot someone and get caught, you're gonna have some explaining to do"

"Why did you shoot the man?"
"Because he was trying to burgle my property."
"Okay, sir. Goodnight."

Simple.

"If only there was time for the farmer to ask them these questions and then ruminate on what to do. "

Well, where were the in the house for a start? If downstairs with the family sleeping upstairs, I would think they were only after possessions, which the vast majority of burglars are.

People often turn their guilt into anger.

His family & friends must know a 19yo armed burglar was a total loser and society is better without him. If they don't know that they must be as bad as him. If they do know that they feel guilty they raised him / loved him.

Spot on.

What do you think the weapons were for?

Well he’s been bailed which gives a strong hint as to which way it will go. They don’t bail murderers.

How many opportunists and petty thieves does it take to destroy the quality of life of a vulnerable person?
The weak and elderly having to modify their way of life because the police have given up is not the sign of a thriving civilised society.

@Teentaxidriver "Besides, if nothing else, why should we waste money keeping such people alive? Surely they forfeited any rights by torturing, raping and murdering children?"

I absolutely disagree with you.

But I thought we were talking about burglars?

Don't think you need combine harvesters on an alleged weed farm 🤔

Do we know they entered the house? Or was it an outbuilding? Do we know if they threatened him with the weapons or did he shoot immediately? Do we know what he was protecting. Did he give them chance tonlut their weapons down?

No. There are going to be 2 sides to this story. If he has shot them as they're running away with a pre loaded shot gun, then it is murder.

The thing is a teenager is dead - they have to get to the facts which is the reason for the arrest. If it was the result of an aggravated burglary though I really have no sympathy. Farmers all have guns, I’d fully expect to be shot if I turned up tooled up and making threats at a farm.

No it isn’t necessarily murder at all. It would up to a jury to decide. Tony Martin’s gun also was illegal, which didn’t help his case.

What the fuck are you talking about.

I can’t believe how many people on here are on the ‘poor little’ burglars side!!

Definitely TeamFarmer here!

Play with fire, get your fingers burned!

I’d have thought that if it was a weed factory they would be detaining the farmer for that. They will have searched the joint. Where do people get this crap from? He has been bailed. No drugs charges.

He may well not be a lovely farmer Giles type he may be an arsehole who knows (some farmers are ime) but it doesn’t make him a murderer.

My sympathy is solely with the farmer and his poor family.

Spot on with the principle, but let's remember that we can't yet know which applies to this particular family

They could be a bunch of scumbags who'll blame everyone else or might be genuinely decent people who are traumatised themselves at what their son turned into - as said, we simply don't know

Who exactly is on “poor little burglar’s side”?

Don't go robbing people and you won't get shot.

Sad that a young lad died, but at the end of the day, if you go out on the rob you've gotta expect some people might just fight back and ultimately kill you.

Also if he is running some kind of weed farm then why would he have called the police out for the previous burglary the day before?