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AIBU to think that all the recent threads about benefits are heading too far towards online bullying?

278 replies

LeopardsRockingham · 03/05/2024 19:28

The way disabled people are being treated and spoken about on here in recent days is disgusting. It is verging on online hate crimes and if ithey were about other marginalised groups would not have been allowed to stand by MNHQ.

The disinformation, the sneering, the complete lack of compassion from so many Mumsnetters is vile.

Disability for the very most part isn't something that people bring onto themselves. Parents don't do anything but have different luck to you and have a disabled child.

My genetics are different to yours so I have a fucked up immune system and the host of problems that has given me.

My DH had a horrific upbringing which has led him to have MH problems- he works by the way. I did too for a long time until my body couldn't cope.

My DC was injured at birth due to a hospital fault.

My neighbour fell off his bike and has a traumatic brain injury.

My friend has breast cancer.

My cousin is dead at 38 due to epilepsy.

My nephew is so unhappy due to his ADHD bot letting him fit in at school and my sister is having trouble helping him through it due to hers.

Why are we so unworthy to you?

Are we not due the same courtesy of online treatment as those of different races and religion...or does that go out the window as you pay for us?

@MNHQ why is it acceptable for you to allow your users to bully the marginalised on this site?

OP posts:
Julen7 · 03/05/2024 21:40

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:37

I see Mumsnet have deleted my original reply when I stated I had every sympathy for people who genuinely couldn't work. Excuse me Mumsnet but how exactly did I break your talk guidelines?

Mumsnet deleting so many posts that the thread hardly makes any sense

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:41

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:37

I see Mumsnet have deleted my original reply when I stated I had every sympathy for people who genuinely couldn't work. Excuse me Mumsnet but how exactly did I break your talk guidelines?

You clearly don’t have every sympathy though, because if you did you’d realise that people with complex mental health issues and addictions can’t work, yet you think it’s fine to slag those off and revel in it by the sounds of your goady posts.

Jeannie88 · 03/05/2024 21:41

XenoBitch · 03/05/2024 20:42

I know a lovely lady who is very physically disabled after her very abusive ex beat her to the point she suffered spinal damage. She now hobbles about with a walking stick.
She still goes out clubbing. Is she meant to just rot and die at home?

Of course not! I'm so sorry this happened to her, she sounds so strong and total respect to her. I'm talking about people who claim to be in her position but aren't. That's what makes me upset, genuine people who deserve everything and those who fabricate it. Only from personal experience, one particular young man who got all the benefits but had a business as a builder and raked in a fortune. That's what upsets me, it does a disservice to the lovely lady you mentioned. I'm all for helping others, I would give my last penny to anyone in need. I'm sorry if my post was taken any other way. Xx

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 21:41

Julen7 · 03/05/2024 21:40

Mumsnet deleting so many posts that the thread hardly makes any sense

So they should. Some of the guff spouted on this thread and others is disgusting

BeamMeUp81 · 03/05/2024 21:44

I would LOVE to be healthy enough to work. The paltry amount I get in UC and low rate mobility PIP doesn’t even begin to cover what me and my DC need to survive, I’m getting further and further in debt each month. I’d give up my ‘free money’ in a nanosecond in exchange for health.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:46

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:41

You clearly don’t have every sympathy though, because if you did you’d realise that people with complex mental health issues and addictions can’t work, yet you think it’s fine to slag those off and revel in it by the sounds of your goady posts.

I actually mentioned the people in my community, some of whom I know very well who do not have addictions and mental health issues. When did I revel in it? What was goady? Because I don't agree with you? Do you just want an echo chamber?

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:48

Jeannie88 · 03/05/2024 21:41

Of course not! I'm so sorry this happened to her, she sounds so strong and total respect to her. I'm talking about people who claim to be in her position but aren't. That's what makes me upset, genuine people who deserve everything and those who fabricate it. Only from personal experience, one particular young man who got all the benefits but had a business as a builder and raked in a fortune. That's what upsets me, it does a disservice to the lovely lady you mentioned. I'm all for helping others, I would give my last penny to anyone in need. I'm sorry if my post was taken any other way. Xx

If you don't agree with certain people they will just slag you off so I really wouldn't bother apologising to them.

XenoBitch · 03/05/2024 21:48

BeamMeUp81 · 03/05/2024 21:44

I would LOVE to be healthy enough to work. The paltry amount I get in UC and low rate mobility PIP doesn’t even begin to cover what me and my DC need to survive, I’m getting further and further in debt each month. I’d give up my ‘free money’ in a nanosecond in exchange for health.

Careful now. I also said I would love to be able to work, and the MN Judge and Jury declared me fit for work because I post on MN....

LadyKenya · 03/05/2024 21:48

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/05/2024 19:59

Yanbu OP

It's always the same names. There is something clearly wrong with them that they get some perverse kind of pleasure attacking the most vulnerable. It reminds me of kids who pull wings off flies.

Mumsnet need to clamp down decisively. This kind of shit wouldn't be allowed with racism. Far too much leeway is given to ableism.

That is really not true. Racism is rampant on here as well. Why do you think that MN were asked for a "safe space" for black users on here?

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:50

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:46

I actually mentioned the people in my community, some of whom I know very well who do not have addictions and mental health issues. When did I revel in it? What was goady? Because I don't agree with you? Do you just want an echo chamber?

Edited

The point I’m making is people don’t end up like that for nothing. Don’t care what you say. It was obvious you were revelling in it as you actually said ‘’that’s how I get my kicks’’ Pathetic. If you know them that well, I wonder if they know you’re on the internet slagging them off to make yourself feel better?🤣 Go give up your job and claim benefits then if you’re that pissed off by people less fortunate than you.

BeamMeUp81 · 03/05/2024 21:51

XenoBitch · 03/05/2024 21:48

Careful now. I also said I would love to be able to work, and the MN Judge and Jury declared me fit for work because I post on MN....

That makes sense 😵‍💫

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:53

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:50

The point I’m making is people don’t end up like that for nothing. Don’t care what you say. It was obvious you were revelling in it as you actually said ‘’that’s how I get my kicks’’ Pathetic. If you know them that well, I wonder if they know you’re on the internet slagging them off to make yourself feel better?🤣 Go give up your job and claim benefits then if you’re that pissed off by people less fortunate than you.

I said 'that's how I get my kicks' because it was a post looking for me to argue. No matter what I say I'm wrong so what's the point?

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/05/2024 21:54

LadyKenya · 03/05/2024 21:48

That is really not true. Racism is rampant on here as well. Why do you think that MN were asked for a "safe space" for black users on here?

I wasn't aware they were.

But personally with the exception of a few antisemitic posts I've never seen racism be allowed to stand ( I'm from a mixed race family) but I've seen some horrific ableist bullying and indeed actual threads stay up in contrast.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:55

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:53

I said 'that's how I get my kicks' because it was a post looking for me to argue. No matter what I say I'm wrong so what's the point?

Oh and it doesn't make me feel better. Why would it make me feel better? Obviously if we're doing this, you having a go at me is making you feel better.

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:57

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:53

I said 'that's how I get my kicks' because it was a post looking for me to argue. No matter what I say I'm wrong so what's the point?

If you post inflammatory, uninformed and ignorant crap on here then you should expect it. I would bet my life you don’t know these people at all and if you do you won’t know the ins and outs of their lives and pasts etc. I never understand why people cant just concentrate on their own lives and leave others alone, but it’s a human trait to punch down when you’re miserable in life, unfortunately.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:58

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:57

If you post inflammatory, uninformed and ignorant crap on here then you should expect it. I would bet my life you don’t know these people at all and if you do you won’t know the ins and outs of their lives and pasts etc. I never understand why people cant just concentrate on their own lives and leave others alone, but it’s a human trait to punch down when you’re miserable in life, unfortunately.

Edited

Never mind dear, go to bed now.

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:59

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:58

Never mind dear, go to bed now.

Haha, so now you’re being patronising? Nice tactic when you’ve got nothing constructive to say. Says a lot about you 🤡

LadyKenya · 03/05/2024 22:00

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/05/2024 21:54

I wasn't aware they were.

But personally with the exception of a few antisemitic posts I've never seen racism be allowed to stand ( I'm from a mixed race family) but I've seen some horrific ableist bullying and indeed actual threads stay up in contrast.

I wish that was the case, I have seen plenty of racist posts left to stand. It is a problem here. This is not the thread to discuss it though. But as a disabled, black woman, I know what I see on this forum.

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 22:02

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 21:59

Haha, so now you’re being patronising? Nice tactic when you’ve got nothing constructive to say. Says a lot about you 🤡

Doesn't it just 😙

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 22:04

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:58

Never mind dear, go to bed now.

I think you should be the one to piss off, truth be told

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 22:04

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 22:04

I think you should be the one to piss off, truth be told

😂

Elephantswillnever · 03/05/2024 22:05

YoureALizardHarry11 · 03/05/2024 19:46

It’s not what I think, it’s the truth, whether you want to believe it or keep being willfully ignorant it doesn’t change that fact 🤣

I grew up on a housing estate. Very sadly my brother grew up on the same estate, took drugs, developed mental health issues and was dead by 30. I went to a good uni and got a law degree. He wasn’t traumatised or particularly deprived and neither was I. He was bored and easily led and made poor choices.

You can not divorce people from responsibility for their actions because they have had a tough time of it.

IClaudine · 03/05/2024 22:05

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 21:41

So they should. Some of the guff spouted on this thread and others is disgusting

Yes, maybe some posters will begin to get the message that their bigotry is not welcome.

IClaudine · 03/05/2024 22:08

Hoglet70 · 03/05/2024 21:46

I actually mentioned the people in my community, some of whom I know very well who do not have addictions and mental health issues. When did I revel in it? What was goady? Because I don't agree with you? Do you just want an echo chamber?

Edited

You have access to the medical records of the people in your community? How?

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/05/2024 22:08

K0OLA1D · 03/05/2024 21:41

So they should. Some of the guff spouted on this thread and others is disgusting

Exactly.

Clearly the posts contained something deemed offensive/bigoted and thoroughly deserved to be deleted.

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