To be surprised and shocked that PIP is rewarded without official diagnosis?

[Borntrippy]

Thanks to all the recent threads on the DLA/PIP controversy I’m now aware that you don’t need an official diagnosis for conditions such as anxiety, ADHD etc to receive PIP. Although you apparently have to show other evidence in your claim is anyone else surprised by this information?

PIP is not a long-term sickness benefit. It is an in-work benefit. Which is why the Tories want shot of it, but here you are lending them a helping hand.

Well said

Have you seen what you have to not be able to do to get PIP? Mine has Asperger's and dyspraxia and wouldn't qualify. My brother had a degenerative illness that lead to him being bed bound and dying in his thirties. Despite there being no chance that he would ever improve in any way he still had to be assessed every year to be able to get benefits. Hope that makes you feel better OP.

PIP is to do with what stops you functioning properly in daily life. By 'not diagnosed' I think you mean PIP isn't means tested. & that sticks in your meanspirited craw, begrudging people a few extra pounds that will help them through life. Youve not enough going on in your life so you're casting a beady eye. It doesn't even occur to me to wonder about PIP, and I dont personally know anyone who even mentions it.

I wish MN would delete these repetitive nasty ableist posts on sight. & why do some pp's feel they have to fully explain their circumstances? You dont have to justify to anyone here your reasons for receiving benefits, all you're doing is encouraging the crows to circle. Learn to be quiet sometimes. Apply that in real life too because MN makes me think there are plenty of grudgeful 'friends' around some of you and you shouldnt discuss your personal business with them at all

You can always tell an election is coming when the benefits bashing starts.

So many posts inciting hatred for vulnerable scapegoats in the hope of gaining votes from cruel policies.

The Tory party is beyond vile.

My friend died while waiting to get pip. He was 37 years old. Your post is disgusting for trying to make out pip is a con and easy to get.

PIP is not a long term sickness/out of work benefit.

PIP is an in work benefit.

My daughter works, PIP would help her immensely and support her to stay in work. However, after her last experience just asking for the claim form, she won’t apply again.

The system is deliberately designed that way to put people off claiming in the first place

You know what's really surprising and shocking?
That there are people living with horrible, limiting health conditions that never go away, never get any better and often get progressively worse.

What’s also shocking is the wait times for medical diagnosis and treatment. If people had to wait for a definitive diagnosis, it would certainly reduce disability claims, while also decimating their quality of life.

Arbeit macht frei

Give it up, won't you?

Its non means tested ,so it's neither an out of work or in work benefit ,there will.be claimant's that can and do work and claimant's that can't.

At risk of being lambasted here, I think the vast majority of people would like to see a system where when people can help themselves, they do, where when people need support, they receive it, and where people who don't need the extra support, they respectfully decline in order to afford that support for someone else who may be struggling.
The age old dilemma is those who won't versus those who can't. Not one government has been able to successfully identify with 100% reliability who won't help themselves and who can't.
And so you will always have a few wonts amongst the many can'ts.
However, I think it needs to be asked, if there are a small section of people who are applying for support who don't need it, what is their motivation for wanting this support?
Is it that they feel a wet room would be beneficial to them? 🤔
Or maybe they feel that they would prefer to wear incontinence pants instead of going to the toilet during the night? 🤔
Or maybe they feel that they need the PIP/DLA money in order to support themselves/their families and they don't see another way to raise the funding?
Perhaps if those few wonts didn't feel they needed the extra support, they wouldn't go through the rigmarole of applying for it in the first place?

So wouldn't it be better all around to offer everyone the support they feel they need to be as productive in society as its possible for them to be?
Some people won't need support, some people will, but if people are claiming PIP/DLA, they obviously do feel they need that support and why should that be limited to any particular diagnosed disability?
If there was a way to eradicate their need of that support, then wouldn't it be a good idea to work out exactly how the support benefits them in the first place and start there.
Some people with disabilities can be helped by reasonable adjustments, or a wet room, or a wheelchair ramp, or therapy, or many different types of support, but its not always available.
This is what needs to be addressed!
Cater the support people need to the individual, instead of lumping them all in the same category, which doesn't actually help many of them.
PIP/DLA can help these people to access support that they wouldn't otherwise afford. If you don't want to pay PIP/DLA, then provide adequate support for these people in the first place.

You realise that yoy need evidence to back up your claim?
Yea there are people who put in claims for very tenuous reasons ,I see it all the time on the DLA group I'm on but most if not all don't actually succeed in their claim .

@Borntrippy To return to your question about washing, many people with severe MH conditions who need support/prompting to wash are somewhat ‘malodorous’. It’s normally pretty obvious if someone hasn’t been washing properly in a while.

Trying to stir up as much hate and misinformation possible before an election is called.

Sadly it happens. The disabled are viewed as worthless by people like the op based on the idea that ‘they don’t contribute’, just like the idle rich.

They view ‘contribution’ purely as the ability to work physically for the so called ‘community’.

Ive also been told on here by people calling themselves socialists that disabled people are exploiting workers if they need carers for undesirable tasks like personal care. Disabled people should be willing to do without any care rather than subjugate others with their “disgusting” needs.

Sadly ablism isn’t restricted to the right wing.

No. It’s about how if affects your life not what you’re diagnosed with.

Quite.

I have to say I am disgusted by these threads. The contempt for disabled people is something to behold.

Not too bright are you, OP? The reason diagnoses is not essential is 1) diagnoses are sometimes difficult to obtain and 2) conditions affect everyone differently, so two people could have ADHD (for example) but one would be entitled to PIP and the other might not, based on specific circumstances, severity etc, so a diagnosis saying ‘This person has X disability’ is of little use.

I’m royally sick to death of these bloody threads.

I have been banging on for years about it, and getting worse.

It’s absolutely sickening, and definitely gets worse year on year (or day by day at the moment!). I’m fed up of being told I should stay at home or expecting access to stuff like toilets is ‘entitled’ for example. Its across the board too, not just aibu- ‘feminist’ threads are terrible for it.

I speak from personal experience when I say I don't think people realise how anybody could go from perfectly able-bodied one day, to extensively disabled the next. We are all one stroke, one accident, one fall, away from it and to sit starting threads like these encouraging people to gleefully post their vitriol, is sickening, genuinely sickening.

Goady cunt

I speak from personal experience when I say I don't think people realise how anybody could go from perfectly able-bodied one day, to extensively disabled the next.

Friend at schools Dad used to sometimes take the company takings into the bank. One day walked into a bank raid and had their skull caved in for their trouble by the thug guarding the door.

Never worked again. That was a whole families life shot to pieces.

Not quite sure what some folk here would have prescribed for someone whose sight was taken, never had a minute free of pain since and underwent a dramatic personality change ? Mints perhaps ?

Well if you need a diagnosis, I'd be fucked. I can't get a proper diagnosis and have been told (parents first noticed problems at 5 months I'm now 35) it may never happen. But my needs are just as valid as those that have one.

Oh and even if you do have a diagnosis then don't take it seriously. I was asked what one of mine was. She then decided it wasn't that bad. But why else would I have got a diagnosis? (It's not one of those where you can test for something and get something different - it's based on how you present, history, etc)