To be surprised and shocked that PIP is rewarded without official diagnosis?

[Borntrippy]

Thanks to all the recent threads on the DLA/PIP controversy I’m now aware that you don’t need an official diagnosis for conditions such as anxiety, ADHD etc to receive PIP. Although you apparently have to show other evidence in your claim is anyone else surprised by this information?

"Where I think it’s more of a grey area is ASD, ADHD, Anxiety etc although from what people are saying these milder disorders are unlikely to have enough evidence to pass a claim."

You have no fucking idea.
Who do you think you are to decide that a condition is "mild" and has no significant impact on a person's daily life?
Autism, ADHD and anxiety can't all be lumped together - they are three separate conditions (although they might coexist) and there is a huge spectrum in terms of how someone might be affected by each one.
Have some respect for neurodivergent people and people with mental health issues, and that starts with accepting that you have NO IDEA how their conditions affect them.
FFS.

Milder relative to other disabilities not mild in themselves necessarily. For example to be on the high functioning end Autism Spectrum (for example the old Aspergers) is certainly milder than someone struggling with non-verbal severe autism. So yes someone who has anxiety most likely is suffering from a milder condition than someone suffering from sever bipolar disorder or psychosis.

FGS.

You cannot claim PIP merely by saying 'I've got X'.

You have to give evidence of X, of how it affects you, what you're doing about it etc etc.

I do not have an official dx of Ehlers Danlos from the appropriate specialist. I do however have four different GP's, an NHS phsyio, a private osteo, and a series of cardiologists who all agree I have the classic symptoms and that chasing a DX of it will not alter treatment or outcome, and that focusing on the things that are likely to kill me is significantly more important.

I have evidence of how it affects me, evidence of the symptoms, endless evidence of the medication and therapies used to limit the damage/stop me carking it. Why would that NOT be enough?

In this instance, it is right that PIP can be awarded without a dx, and also, PIP may NOT be awarded WITH a dx, if there is no evidence that the condition actually affects day to day life. That really is how it must work.

Sometimes it's turned down with official diagnosis of a lifelong, progressive condition.
I know, it happened to me.

You may be a Labour voter, but it's a strange kind of socialism that sticks the boot into disabled people.

My son can't speak at all and has very limited understanding of the world around him is that disabled enough for you?
His autism isnt mild.

My DP is under the falls clinic and other services. That meant an assessment of needs, mainly for rails, walking stick etc. He had to show how he got in and out of the shower. In his case he had a heart attack and was in hospital, so had their care plan. It would be unusual to not have some input from services and be awarded it. As in a pp my DP didn't have a diagnosis thanks to waiting times, but failed a occupational health test in work. Re Autism, my DD went to a special needs school, a lot of her peers are in the category that any half decent person wouldn't resent them getting benefits, but they've been kicked off and put through appeals etc. Some never got there benefit rewarded and live in extreme poverty, jobs that they could do, no longer exsist.

There are those that identify as "labour voters" while putting the "X" next to "Conservative". Much as lots of middle age men identify with being Daniel Craig.

Milder relative to other disabilities not mild in themselves necessarily. For example to be on the high functioning end Autism Spectrum (for example the old Aspergers) is certainly milder than someone struggling with non-verbal severe autism. So yes someone who has anxiety most likely is suffering from a milder condition than someone suffering from sever bipolar disorder or psychosis.

Oh fuck off and get educated!

@Borntrippy
What exactly are you shocked about? Some people have profound disabilities without unifying diagnosis. Are you so ignorant that you are shocked by that too? Seriously, do you have nothing better to do than bash people that receive benefits?

😂I was trying to find a polite way of saying "you are absolutely 100% Tory".

There's a lot on MN who are hateful of disabled, sick and the poor and anyone claiming benefits.

They rage without a clue what they're raging about.

People look down at those with less and rage that the disabled and poor have so much..
the government like it that way...
If people stopped concerning themselves with poorer people, they might look up at the people in power that are keeping everyone poorer.

I support a welfare state that supports workers and believe that workers should own the means of production. I do believe in order for the welfare state to survive it should be rigorous in ensuring it is not abused by being extremely generous to the genuine and very harsh on those who take advantage. This is what true socialism is all about.

"Supports workers" - what about those who are, have always been, and will always be, too sick or disabled to work? Do they not count in your version of socialism?

There's a lot on MN who are hateful of disabled, sick and the poor and anyone claiming benefits.

There really aren't. It's just being out of work, and having nothing to do, they have a lot of time to post.

You know what's really surprising and shocking?
That there are people living with horrible, limiting health conditions that never go away, never get any better and often get progressively worse.
And that there are able-bodied people that are actually envious of those people because they get a bit of state help. So envious, in fact, that they won't rest until they find a reason why said help should be taken away.
You're fucking shameless.

Of course in any decent society such people should be helped. However determining that they are indeed to sick to ever have worked or will never be able to work again should be a thorough and rigorous process to ensure that those who are able to work do so. And many disabled people want to work but are not given adequate support to do so, this is another area that needs a lot of attention.

I always find it amazing how many people on mumsnet who are available to post during day times Multiple times on Multiple threads daily judging those who can’t physically work On a site where most workers are paying thousands and thousands of tax.

never adds up 😂

It is already a pretty brutal process.

How many more hoops would you like people with disabilities to jump through?

My understanding is that it is like DLA based on care needs, not diagnosis.

Yabu to pretend to be shocked.

It also benefits the Tories and their capitalist mates to have millions of people on long term sickness benefit as opposed to unemployment benefit because it hides the true unemployment figures on one hand but also placates a large number of working class people who would otherwise demand improved working conditions. Likewise getting rid of council housing but handing out thousands in housing benefits, something that ultimately props up private landlords and undermines working class housing security.

You have, over a number of posts, demonstrated views that are ablist - that is, actively discriminatory towards disabled people, and have even outlined who you consider to be deserving and undeserving disabled, which takes us right back to the days of the Poor Law. That isn't socialism by any measure.

It already is a thorough and rigorous process.
Anyway, PIP isn't an out-of-work benefit.

Bloody hell, you sound like a Stalinist.
You'll be advocating purges next.
God help us.