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To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

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Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 13:41

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

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EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:18

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 17:12

@EasternStandard you’ve become the perfect little right wing fan girl ! Hate trans folk, hate immigrants (despite being an immigrant herself) and now so concerned about privileged private school pupils. Wow. Need to have a good look at yourself. Labour cannot promise any decent policies precisely because the tories have almost bankrupted the country.

Haha nice try 😂

I’m pro women and safeguarding children, are you more in puberty blockers territory I’m guessing so?

Trafficking is a huge issue you are likely not aware of course, but if you think whatever Labour are coming up with will match the billion dollar human trafficking networks then good look with that

As for going for the spiteful attack all I can say is haha

Oh god just read the personal immigrant comment, Christ take a step back it’s too invested 😳

The VAT policy is poor economics btw

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:19

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 16:44

People seem to have very selective short memories. Whatever Starmer & Co get up to when they are elected, they are going to look better than the mess we have had for years and they should get their turn. If we use the yardstick of Truss and Kwarteng, whatever they come up with is going to look pretty fucking amazing 😂

A flock of pigeons walking round number 10 would look better than the current bunch! 🤣

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:19

Tootiredforallthiscrap · 04/05/2024 17:14

@Desecratedcoconut maybe they’ll ask the conservatives where the money has gone eh ?

I expect they will. It'll be four years of you spent the money and our hands are tied. We'd like to do nice things, but we won't because we can't. And then they'll look sad and... that's the height of ambition of their supporters achieved right there. Again, I'm not a Tory so I'm not defending their record. But I don't think the same shit with added bullshit is appealing.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 17:21

StarlingsForever · 04/05/2024 15:00

Of course they should have built in contingency for fee increases over and above inflation. It is common sense if you are embarking on a thirteen year commitment. If they had been really forward looking, they could have looked at NPVs and ROI % too and they would most probably have opted for buying a nice house in catchment. If they were lucky enough to have that choice, of course. If you haven't assessed the fees, then tough.

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Loving the use of acronyms in a desperate attempt to save face having got the facts completely wrong. This comedy gift just keeps on giving.

LondonQueen · 04/05/2024 17:21

Anarchy.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 17:22

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 16:50

Thankk you for explaining why you are blissfully unaware of Labour's policies.

To be fair everyone is, they only have about two

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:22

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 12:38

May I just take the time to observe how delightful it is to see some posters in a flap as they have realised that Labour will when the next GE and make the country a fairer nicer place to live.

Apparently it's impossible for the country to be better because there's no money, so we shouldn't even bother to vote for someone we think will actually try.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:23

People do get overly annoyed on these threads, it’s odd

It’s just a thread on expectations re Labour not everyone just ‘believes’

Policies do need to stack up. If they did I reckon people would just post them rather than go full aggro as @Tootiredforallthiscrap has.

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:23

Try what and how to achieve what and for who?

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:28

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:23

People do get overly annoyed on these threads, it’s odd

It’s just a thread on expectations re Labour not everyone just ‘believes’

Policies do need to stack up. If they did I reckon people would just post them rather than go full aggro as @Tootiredforallthiscrap has.

Surely we have to wait for the parties to publish manifestos before we can judge on that part?

In the meantime, I'm judging based on the fact that I don't trust the Tories at all after everything they've done. Labour are untested, but come across as wanting to do the right thing to me.

That's a huge step up in itself.

Marjoriefrobisher · 04/05/2024 17:29

pinotnow · 04/05/2024 14:59

I get absolutely no laughs from children, or indeed anyone suffering, thank you. As I said in a previous post, I want a fairer society for all. Not just advantages for those dc whose parents can afford to pay for them. What about children who are struggling in state schools (I'm a teacher btw) because of funding cuts (in real terms) and whose parents can't afford to go private? You may not laugh about it but if you're not voting to get the Tories out you're doing fuck all about it . So think about that next time you accuse me of not caring about 'dc'.

Well, you were sneering at people crying over school fees, so perhaps you’re not in a position to complain about others being spiteful. Care to address the point I raised about potential impact on kids with SN? Or is it too inconvenient?

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:30

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:28

Surely we have to wait for the parties to publish manifestos before we can judge on that part?

In the meantime, I'm judging based on the fact that I don't trust the Tories at all after everything they've done. Labour are untested, but come across as wanting to do the right thing to me.

That's a huge step up in itself.

Is it, what if their right thing is the decimation of women's rights and safeguarding and bonus compelled speech ?

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:32

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:30

Is it, what if their right thing is the decimation of women's rights and safeguarding and bonus compelled speech ?

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An accurate description of the government's policies for the last 14 years. Luckily that will change soon.

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:33

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:32

An accurate description of the government's policies for the last 14 years. Luckily that will change soon.

Where is the evidence that it will change? That it won't hit a new gear?

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:33

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:28

Surely we have to wait for the parties to publish manifestos before we can judge on that part?

In the meantime, I'm judging based on the fact that I don't trust the Tories at all after everything they've done. Labour are untested, but come across as wanting to do the right thing to me.

That's a huge step up in itself.

Do you expect it will be much different to the link the pp put twice?

Despite various pp going full aggression I’m answering the thread on expectations going by what they’ve put forward so far

Wrt your doing the right thing para I don’t feel they want to do the right thing for women in terms of pro women ie not gender based policies, sadly

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:35

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:30

Is it, what if their right thing is the decimation of women's rights and safeguarding and bonus compelled speech ?

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I haven't seen any evidence to suggest it is.

I have seen the current government fuck over women, children, disabled people, carers etc time and time again. As well as limiting our rights to protest.

I can't think of a single thing they have done to protect women's rights, improve safeguarding or freedom of speech. They've had 14 years to do all of that, but the trust is they don't care about women.

I'll believe what the government do over what they pretend they will do.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:38

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:33

Where is the evidence that it will change? That it won't hit a new gear?

The evidence was clear in Thursdays elections that the public want change. Even the West Mids Mayor who is doing a good job may lose his role.

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:38

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:33

Do you expect it will be much different to the link the pp put twice?

Despite various pp going full aggression I’m answering the thread on expectations going by what they’ve put forward so far

Wrt your doing the right thing para I don’t feel they want to do the right thing for women in terms of pro women ie not gender based policies, sadly

It's all supposition really at this point.

The current government have proven time and time again that they don't care about women, children, disabled people, carers or other vulnerable people in society.

Why on earth would I believe that they suddenly want to look out for us now?

Better to go with someone who might look out for us, than someone who's had 14 years to but hasn't bothered which has made me certain that they won't.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:38

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:33

Do you expect it will be much different to the link the pp put twice?

Despite various pp going full aggression I’m answering the thread on expectations going by what they’ve put forward so far

Wrt your doing the right thing para I don’t feel they want to do the right thing for women in terms of pro women ie not gender based policies, sadly

Did you read the link?

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:40

CrappySack · 04/05/2024 17:35

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest it is.

I have seen the current government fuck over women, children, disabled people, carers etc time and time again. As well as limiting our rights to protest.

I can't think of a single thing they have done to protect women's rights, improve safeguarding or freedom of speech. They've had 14 years to do all of that, but the trust is they don't care about women.

I'll believe what the government do over what they pretend they will do.

They even announced a new attack on the vulnerable, particularly women this week. The elections give a clear indication of its popularity with the public.

Welovecrumpets · 04/05/2024 17:41

Wow I didn’t expect the thread to take off like this. It’s going to take me a while to read all the replies and by then it’ll be full!

Disappointing to see the ‘yOU ARe A TOrY StOoge’ type responses to the Conservative posters. I would rather pull off my own fingernails than vote Conservative but it seems like such a cop out reply.

I’ve read Angela Rayner’s employee rights proposals and fuck me some of them are absolutely nutty. Instant maternity rights for somebody who has been in a job for literally 1 day? Are they trying to kill small business? It just really reads like they are.

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EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:42

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:38

Did you read the link?

If you don’t know there’s a good summary by @Desecratedcoconut in pp

Something about securing borders, have they let you know how yet?

Desecratedcoconut · 04/05/2024 17:42

Because the labour party has been telling people with gender critical beliefs to sling their hook for years. They made a heretic out of Duffield. They sat on their hands while that misogynistic dick Russel Moyle heckled women in parliament. They didn't raise an eyebrow at Streeting's hit list of women who had the temerity to think women were a sex class, Lammy and his denigration of women who he labelled dinosaurs...have you been living under a rock?

Pin0cchio · 04/05/2024 17:44

A mentality that its not a bad thing for the state to run things.

A view that the public sector can be a positive thing and not simply a cost you are constantly seeking to cut.

An understanding that we don't all have the same start in life or the privilege some have.

Knowing that a capitalist economy doesn't reward all hard work equally and we often need to intervene via the tax system to make it fairer.

A sense that public health and education systems are something to take pride in, assets to protect

A perspective that all children are our future, not a burden, and we must ensure they all have the opportunity to thrive.

JessS1990 · 04/05/2024 17:45

EasternStandard · 04/05/2024 17:42

If you don’t know there’s a good summary by @Desecratedcoconut in pp

Something about securing borders, have they let you know how yet?

You could only know it is a good summary, having read the link. I am so pleased you have taken the time to do so. Being informed is very important.

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