To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

[Welovecrumpets]

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

Exactly, the way some people talk about state schools is disgusting as if going to state school is the worst thing in the world and a last resort for people who can’t afford anything better.

We've seen how the Tories can find the money when they want it. When it suits them there is a magic money tree.

I have no faith that the Tories want to continue NHS provision for all - I have no faith that they care about the health of ordinary people. They will never find the money.

The Tories for all their strong and stable promises have been a shambles and have an appalling record on handling money.

Time for a change to someone else who will have the will and energy to improve services for all AND when money becomes available will use it for good. I can't think of one occasion when the Tories have handled public money efficiently and honourably for the general public good.

Vote for them = more of the same
Vote for Labour = historical proof of the will to provide services and at least a chance that things will improve.

I agree with this.

We’re just going to go round in circles, 1 clown in, 1 clown out.

I think people expect a good economic out under LP & I fear they won’t get it.

I will be voting LP this time after previous CP votes (for what could be seen as a ridiculous reason) but I don’t have high hopes.

First of all, I don't want sympathy, especially from a random person on here. I work hard, I live where I want to live, I'm not going to apologise for it. In the end of the day, its not about me or my choices, isn't it? I can similarly say "I couldn't care less about higher private school fees as its unnecessary and a luxury". And it says a lot about the state of economy that, regardless of my salary etc I'm struggling with access to healthcare, good education for my DC, on top of that the country is depressing and miserable, and we have a fucking bunch of imbeciles governing us which is depressing.

As far as I'm concerned an ordinary professional working single mum like me would be much better off under Labour.

You see I am not bothered if a Labour government add VAT to my child’s school fees, but what really annoys me is the smug middle class types who have got little Clement and Camilla into the likes of the London Oratory and have no idea - not the slightest inkling - how truly criminally bad a bad state school can be. They are the ones who bleat on about how terrible private schools are and how Clement and Camilla would never be sent to private school even though they could afford it because Clement and Camilla need to have a rounded education and meet a wider social strata of kids, totally oblivious to the fact that has they had the same experience my kid had - daily assaults on school premises- Clement and Camilla would be pulled out immediately.

Some schools really are that bad. They really are. And any parent would can afford to get their kids out of that situation would. Let’s hope Labour improve things, and make state education a safe and thriving place for all children.

Yes I have family members exactly like this. Smug and irritating and completely anti-private education - even gave me a hard time for defecting from state teaching in to private to reclaim some of my sanity.

This whole thread is a slippery slope 😆

To all those wishing for a strong Labour government and faith in Starmer, I applaud your optimism and hope it turns out as you have stated.

For those saying state schools aren't cesspits must live in some nice areas! As most secondary schools really are just that.

I predict that NOTHING will change under Labour. A few BS projects that spaffs money from families like ours where we have little left anyway, for the sake of things that will never come to fruition or benefit us in the big Middle. Tories are super useless as well BTW.

Oh I know how bad a state school can be - my local secondary is a shite hole, so despite being in walking distance of my home, my children are both in schools in nearby towns. If we hadn't managed to get them in there, then we would have had no choice but to send them down the road to the shite school or homeschool - we cannot afford private. My issue though is not with those who can afford it, but those who can afford it and also describe state schools as "cesspits" etc as if they are all in the same category.

For those saying state schools aren't cesspits must live in some nice areas! As most secondary schools really are just that. @Xtraincome that's an utterly foul comment.

The Conservatives have been in power since 2010. Since then there has been a number of major global economic shocks. The tax burden is very very high for middle earners. It’s time for the Conservatives to regroup in opposition and take time to present the case for a much smaller state, smaller tax burdens, and greater freedoms for business.

@pinotnow I didn't mean for it to sound so harsh. The thread is harsh in itself so may be clouding my tone.

However, we can only afford to live where we live as average earners, and the Secondary Schools are terrible here and most of my friends agree. When you live in a nice area where people are way above average earners, you get better state education. We have been trying to move but it's fallen through twice. We are looking at Online Schooling when we are FINALLY able to downsize. The level of mental health issues in children is enough for you to admit there is a massive issue, surely?

Just some human morals would be a great start compared to the current lot...

Unless they are prepared to reverse Brexit in some way, there won't be much change to the trajectory.

The UK had been in managed decline for the best part of 50 years but now it is in disorderly decline.

These are all extremes though, some children go to state schools that are pretty good but no exceptional. Educational achievement is more down to parental input in the current climate, this is why it is so unfair.

So you're trying to move to an area with better schools, but are looking at online schooling when you do move? I'm confused...

I look at Wales to see what the future would be like under labour after all if they really wanted to show people how they are good for the country they would of done a great job in Wales, alas they haven't. What a wasted opportunity, they could of shown people this is what we will do for you, real proof not just words in a manifesto. They flew it. I look at what's happening and think no thanks

Nailed it.

Vote for who? Neither party represent me. I honestly despise both parties, and would be compromising who I am by voting for something don’t believe in.

For the 1936468283727th time , Wales isn’t the post apocalyptic wasteland you all seem to think it is. I get good health care, with free prescriptions. No academies, so schools aren’t so grim to work or learn in. You don’t get run over so often because there’s 20mph anywhere pedestrians and cars routinely mix. And so on.

I think most posters are being naive or optimistic. At the very least I expect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to walk upon the Earth, and Angela Raynor to trans-gender.

😂Those of us who don’t subscribe to the left-wing cult (because that’s what the left is - a cult) can actually think for ourselves. We’re individuals. It’s very difficult for cult members to grasp such a thing. And btw, not everyone who dislikes and distrusts Labour is ‘a Tory’, just as not everyone who dislikes and distrust the left is ‘right-wing’.

Hoping for a lot less corrupt politicians and sleaze.
I don't expect them to fix the finances because let's face it they never do, although Rachel Reeve does seem reasonably competent.
I'd like some mass building of social housing and for them to get tougher on private landlords.
Not sure what can be done about the NHS, not sure it is fixable and just a bottomless pit.
There has to be some benefit reform despite what most people say. It's not working and the bill is projected to be huge. Obviously fixing the NHS needs to be a priority but that is not going to be quick.
Nothing is going to be quick.
not sure I trust Labour with defence and I worry a lot about the Russian threat.

What do you mean follow?
We have all that now under this Govt!

@cardibach yes, my agenda is that I would support high taxes for a society that provides good quality education, healthcare and other services for the public. I believe that the government should place the interests of its people above all else. I think that a society that supports the public interest ends up stronger and happier. This isn't happening now, and I am concerned that the current Labour party is not focused on its original founding values. I want to see the Tories out, Labour in. I am pleased to see Labour doing well in the local elections and the polls. I think you misunderstand me.

I am really sorry that your child had such a terrible experience but, just as you say not all schools are like the London Oratory, on the same basis, not all state schools are ones where children are assaulted daily. There are good and bad schools in both private and state sectors and it is wrong to paint all state schools as these awful places, that are a last resort, and only for people who can’t afford anything else. Each child will have their own individual experience in a particular school, there are so many variables that will affect this.
I know an area where the 2 local state secondary schools outperform the local private school.
One of my relatives removed their child from private school because their DC has SEN and the school was not meeting their needs. They had failed to inform my relative how far there DC had fallen behind. They moved their DC to state school where they flourished. I know another person who had exactly the same experience with a private school.