To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

[Welovecrumpets]

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

What do I expect if Labour win?

Same shitshow but with red ties.

No improvement to anything, a load more money to evaporate and more childish ranting in the House of Commons. The economy will remain on its backside, along with the NHS and education and people will continue to feel poorer and poorer.

A lot of my peers who are/were Labour voters are feeling utterly disillusioned with the party and going for alternatives (Greens, Lib Dem’s and indies) so it could be an interesting GE.

'Yes, with great nostalgia. We had public services that worked and virtually no child poverty. He presided over the best 13 years of my adult life.'

I also remember the Blair years well and there was a huge improvement in quality of life for us as a working class family.

Then Cameron came in and it was all austerity, austerity, austerity because there had just been the credit crash - a global recession, not a failing on Labours part, in fact many countries dealt with the crash based on Gordon Browns fiscal plan.

And we tightened our belts thinking well it's for the short term. We didn't realise that austerity was going to be pushed harder and harder onto us for 14 years, the cuts made deeper and deeper until it became normal and accepted for our children not to have a pencil and paper at school or to wait seven years for a first appointment with a consultant.

Look at the responses on this thread. Many of them are hopeless. Austerity has crushed us until people genuinely think there is no alternative. That struggling is the only option. That this shitty life is all there us for us and our kids.

A lot of my peers who are/were Labour voters are feeling utterly disillusioned with the party

I don’t understand disillusionment with a party that’s been in opposition for 14 years. Opposition parties aren’t in a position to achieve anything.

I honestly thing ignorance over what opposition parties can actually do is a big part of the problem. I've seen so many posts on here about how KS hasn't done anything and a vox pops last night about how there was no point in voting as everything is awful and Labour haven't done anything about it.

This is why I think the very basics of our politics should be taught in schools. So many people voting on important issues or advising others how to vote on social media and it’s clear they haven’t got a bloody clue about politics at all. I don’t understand why people comment on politics that they’re obviously not remotely aware of.

Rail nationalisation will save the government money, since the Labour plan is to take it back into public control when the franchises are up, currently the tax payer is subsidising the German, Italian and Spanish railways, so it is easy enough to make savings, or invest that money in UK railways not foreign ones.

You haven't read Labour's proposals have you?

What to expect?
Higher taxes
Lower services
Strikes
Violence in the streets
MUCH higher crime levels
Complete disregard of the people’s wishes
War

Thats the first 100 days, after that it gets much worse.

This is my worry too

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😂😂😂Sooooo care to share why?

You seem to have glossed over the fact that bar the first one we’ve had every one of the things on your list from the present government.

But the Tories already do that.

What a wonderful thing the workforce agreement for teachers was.

How little did we realise how lucky we were at the time.

'But the Tories already do that.'

To be fair the tories have expanded the child benefit thresholds and expanded the 'free' childcare hours provision. Labour would have never done this for middle earners.

The tax free personal allowance is also very generous I think. Under Labour it was only £6k

@happypickle and when was that????

Wrong. We’ve had all of them.

God, the tory HQ spin and deflect squads are working overtime after their election battering I see.

It would be laughable if it wasn't people's futures and lives they were trying to fuck over.

Exactly, the way some people talk about state schools is disgusting as if going to state school is the worst thing in the world and a last resort for people who can’t afford anything better.

I'm state school educated, my dc go to state schools, I teach in a state school and I have taught mostly in state schools (and a couple of private ones) for 30 years. There is a hell of a lot wrong with state schools at the moment and,to be honest, although there are obviously still good schools, can understand why many people would feel their local comprehensive was a last resort.

I think if parents could be a fly on the wall in their children's state secondary school (including ones rated good, or even outstanding), they would be shocked by the behaviour and by the number of classes with a constant stream of non-subject-qualified supply teachers.

The tax free personal allowance is also very generous I think. Under Labour it was only £6k

That was 14 years ago! It’s not remotely generous and has been frozen until 2028. We’re being taxed more than at any time since 1945!

I love that people react to this thread

Labour in a negative light oh noes

pp made me laugh with that list.

I'd love to know what all the doomsayers are basing their view of Labour on, because it bears absolutely no resemblance to the Labour government we last had. The Blair years were the best thing to happen to this country until the global (yes, global) financial crisis. Our NHS is beyond broken. Two members of my family have had to rely heavily on it in recent years. Under Labour, waiting times for A&E and surgery for pretty much everything came right down. By and large, most normal families prospered under Labour. There was a poll on here a few months back and it was staggering to see how many actually looked back on this era as the halcyon years.

Tories have been back in power for 14 years, lied and backstabbed their way through, plunged many into poverty and left the country in a diabolical mess. And yet people are fearful of Labour!!

I am looking forward to a kinder politics, a return to a more united, moderate state where people are brought together rather than pitched against one another. Indeed, that might be the only thing that will change, given that there's no money to do anything else. But a little hope is what people need right now.

Only for the areas that I'm interested in and I've read those in depth.

Thanks. Really needed a good chuckle this morning.

Well it’s not a time machine so some of the stuff that funded the 90 / 00 including a global boom and PFI will need to be replaced by other funding, which is?

VAT on education?

People on here don't vseem to realise that the reason the Blair years look good is that he was left a booming economy by the Thatcher and Major govts (particularly Ken Clarke the last chancellor who was highly competent). All the seeds of where we are now were sown by Blair (eg no investment in infrastructure despite a good economy, low interest rates and massive immigration leading to unaffordable housing and unsustainable pressure on NHS/toads/housing, wars destabilising the Middle East). The Tories have just carried on with the same crap policies (Cameron even said he was the heir to Blair) and here we are.