To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

[Welovecrumpets]

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

How can PFI pay salaries? 😭

Where’s it coming from - school VAT 😂

I know but I'm not claiming that the Tories will fix the NHS. I'm not voting Tory. It is the Labour supporters who are saying that under Labour it will be unicorns and rainbows for education/health etc. If you look at the funding for Labour it is clear that they will have a lot of pressure to increase privatisation of the NHS and they have said they will keep to Tory spending plans. How does that align with fixing the NHS?

I don't expect miracles as I think it would take 20 years to fix the mess the Tories have left. But I'd like a Government that actually gives a shit about ordinary people - that's a good starting point.

Well VAT is paying for everything else 🤣🤣 Probably paying for rail nationalisation next

Read the posts up to about 2pm today. This thread is either just mental or very depressing

I expect

• a return to a government who cares about improving people's lives
• decency and honesty in politics
• improvements to all public services (albeit is slowly given the state they are currently in)
• an admission we need to tax wealth and then measures to deliver it to curb inequality and raise much needed revenue for public spending
• braver action to curb carbon emissions to tackle climate change
• returning railways and utilities to public ownership so there is proper investment & no more public subsidy of private profit

😬 apparently so

Don’t forget ‘smashing the gangs’ in there too

This. Come live in Wales for a year, I promise you it’s worse than England.

Nationalisation of the railway has no cost. Half of it’s already been taken back.

Well after decades of Labour being in power in Wales we’ve achieved all of one of your wishlist.

Meanwhile the schools are crumbling and neither my kid or myself can get the medical treatment we desperately require. Not even on a waiting list, just a blank “sorry you can only have that treatment if you live in Cardiff”

Healthcare and education funding first and foremost.

I thought the figures was 196 billion for the full re-nationalisation programme?

Are you confusing nationalisation of the railway network or the operating companies? They are totally separate.

Nope. As the contracts expire they’re not retendered. The network itself was never privatised. Zero cost.

Unless you're the one writing the Labour manifesto then how do you all know/predict what plans they have for the key issues like education, NHS, immigration, mental health???

You don't. All this labour will be worse being bandied around is bitter Tory talk because we just don't know.

Labour haven't been in charge when immigration and small boats were in existence, they haven't been in power shortly after a pandemic or when trans stuff is so in our faces so how can anyone except a bitter Tory know how they will perform.

Anything will be better than the shite we have currently and therefore anything they do will be a positive thing as long as they are honest and not promise us everything they can't afford.

OK so under that scenario they would have to wait until the various franchises ran out though so they couldn't undertake wholesale re-nationalisation all at once. Labour would still have to buy the rolling stock though.

Because 1997-2010 were years of milk and honey, weren't they, unless you were one of poor sods who had to work to pay for it!

So in answer to the question not much

Sounds a bit depressing if the most loyal Labour supporters are drawing a blank beyond not them

If we are talking about parties and dodgy donations it’s important to mention Vaugaun Gething accepting £200,000 which helped him win the Welsh Labour leadership from a company convicted of environmental crimes

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/02/labour-concern-donations-vaughan-gething-campaign-wales

Because they have already stated that they will stick to Tory spending commitments. That's how you can tell. Reeves is ex-Bank of England and only concerned with balancing the books. She isn't into sweeping social reform that costs money.

It’s the cost to privatise the operation though.

Rail network is pretty useless without trains and staff.

@RandomButtons I don't think what's happened in wales is a good indicator. In Wales Labour have limited powers, in particular no influence on national tax policy. They are trying to deliver public services while hamstrung by Westminster & in particular the treasury who hate devolution

Correct. The process would be gradual. The LNER line is already in government hands, I can find no mention of any purchase of trains from the franchisee.

They did that last time too. Said they would stick to the Tory plans for the first little while. Then look what happened.

what you expect from Labour when/if they win

Constant blaming of the previous government, how they would have handled Covid much better without actually saying how, they will have a free ride to implement policies that deride women.