Page 16 | To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

Welovecrumpets · 2024-05-03T12:41:41+00:00

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:21

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:17

And you are condescending by tarring all private parents with the same brush. My "rant" was pointing out that private kids and parents aren't all 1 homogenous group in the same way that state school kids and parents aren't.

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Perhaps you should have thought of that before you talked about your little darlings being "pulled down" by state school then. That was quite general wasn't it! Don't dish out but not expect to get it back.

Totallymessed · 03/05/2024 19:21

Hartley99 · 03/05/2024 17:57

Economic decline. Centre-left governments wreck the economy. It's like a law of nature. They borrow too much and spend too much. Then businesses fold, and people emigrate to more tax friendly nations, taking their skills and money with them. I have no problem with taxation. The more money you earn the more tax you should pay. And I have no problem with public spending, so long as the money is spent wisely. If you repair the roads, invest in public transport, fund apprenticeships schemes, ensure more STEM graduates, etc, the economy benefits. Even funding the armed forces benefits society, since those who serve tend to emerge more confident, hard-working and self-disciplined. But Labour will blow the money on 'diversity and inclusion' drives, new asylum centres and welfare cheats.
An even worse migration crisis. Whatever drivel they come out with, we all know Labour are pro-immigration, and that some of its supporters even want open borders. The rules will be relaxed, student visas will be easier to exploit, deportations will become harder to secure, and illegal immigration will increase.
The destruction of the British countryside. Whatever is left of the countryside will be covered in disgusting new housing estates, with horrible rabbit hutch houses jammed on top of one another. No doubt the traffic will get even worse as well. The population will certainly increase. That will be partly down to immigration, partly down to more generous welfare payments, which will encourage those on benefits to have more kids. More houses, more cars, more people, more noise...
The end of any national pride or self-respect. Not that there is much left. Both Englishness and Britishness are now toxic, and the young are generally either indifferent to this country or ashamed. It will be like kicking a corpse. Still, I'm sure Labour will do their best. It's staggering just how much the left hate their own country.

God help you if you are on a middle to low income, work hard, don't claim benefits, don't fiddle the system, have an affection for your country and just want a quiet life.

The Tories have failed on all of those points as well, though. I agree with the earlier poster who said it was more that the Conservatives were going to lose the election rather than Labour win it.

I don't think we'll see taxes raised much, at least in the short term. A lot of people are already really struggling financially, and Rachel Reeves doesn't exactly seem the high tax/ high spend type. Hopefully though Labour would spend the money that is available on things like improving the NHS.

I do think we'll see women's rights attacked, unfortunately. It's clearly an area where Keir Starmer is, at best, not interested in doing anything positive.

The only thing that has made me feel positive really is renationalising the railways. If they can manage to do that effectively that would be really good for the country. And hopefully improved public transport generally.

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:25

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:21

Perhaps you should have thought of that before you talked about your little darlings being "pulled down" by state school then. That was quite general wasn't it! Don't dish out but not expect to get it back.

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Except I never said that

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:25

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:25

Except I never said that

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I suggest you re-read what you wrote!

CrappySack · 03/05/2024 19:26

Boomer55 · 03/05/2024 18:03

I shouldn’t think Labour will change much. But I would hope they’re a bit better than what we’ve got now.🤷‍♀️

They can't be any worse!

TooBigForMyBoots · 03/05/2024 19:27

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/05/2024 19:07

Best of a bad job, I'm afraid; for me it's not that she's especially good but that the rest are even worse

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You're right that they're dreadful but if the Tories choose Mordaunt to be their next leader (and they probably will) they will have conned votes out of those believed that despite all their shortcomings the Tories know what a woman is.

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:27

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:25

I suggest you re-read what you wrote!

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I said your glee was written about pulling down private kids. This detracts from the debate about how to raise the standards in state schools.

CrappySack · 03/05/2024 19:28

Hartley99 · 03/05/2024 17:57

Economic decline. Centre-left governments wreck the economy. It's like a law of nature. They borrow too much and spend too much. Then businesses fold, and people emigrate to more tax friendly nations, taking their skills and money with them. I have no problem with taxation. The more money you earn the more tax you should pay. And I have no problem with public spending, so long as the money is spent wisely. If you repair the roads, invest in public transport, fund apprenticeships schemes, ensure more STEM graduates, etc, the economy benefits. Even funding the armed forces benefits society, since those who serve tend to emerge more confident, hard-working and self-disciplined. But Labour will blow the money on 'diversity and inclusion' drives, new asylum centres and welfare cheats.
An even worse migration crisis. Whatever drivel they come out with, we all know Labour are pro-immigration, and that some of its supporters even want open borders. The rules will be relaxed, student visas will be easier to exploit, deportations will become harder to secure, and illegal immigration will increase.
The destruction of the British countryside. Whatever is left of the countryside will be covered in disgusting new housing estates, with horrible rabbit hutch houses jammed on top of one another. No doubt the traffic will get even worse as well. The population will certainly increase. That will be partly down to immigration, partly down to more generous welfare payments, which will encourage those on benefits to have more kids. More houses, more cars, more people, more noise...
The end of any national pride or self-respect. Not that there is much left. Both Englishness and Britishness are now toxic, and the young are generally either indifferent to this country or ashamed. It will be like kicking a corpse. Still, I'm sure Labour will do their best. It's staggering just how much the left hate their own country.

God help you if you are on a middle to low income, work hard, don't claim benefits, don't fiddle the system, have an affection for your country and just want a quiet life.

Is this a list of all the things the Tories have been doing over the last 14 years?

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:29

CrappySack · 03/05/2024 19:28

Is this a list of all the things the Tories have been doing over the last 14 years?

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😆

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:29

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:25

I suggest you re-read what you wrote!

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The fact you wrote "little darlings" shows your condescension about private kids. I then tried to point out that 10s of 1000s are there because the state system failed them rather than because they all attend Eton. You didn't want to hear that.

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:30

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:27

I said your glee was written about pulling down private kids. This detracts from the debate about how to raise the standards in state schools.

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"A race to the bottom" and "gleefully pulling down private school kids". Sounds a bit condescending and snobby to me. Is state school education "the bottom"? Some don't think so.

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:32

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:30

"A race to the bottom" and "gleefully pulling down private school kids". Sounds a bit condescending and snobby to me. Is state school education "the bottom"? Some don't think so.

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Omg State school so isn’t the bottom can’t believe this has been stated

OhYoko · 03/05/2024 19:33

QuiltedHippo · 03/05/2024 13:47

I'd just like to not worry about my aging parenting or kids needing A&E and knowing it's a 10 hour + miserable experience. Private health care doesnt help you with this so I don't know how even the tories are OK with it.

I'd like the government to feel less seedy and corrupt

This. Over the past year me and a couple of relatives have had the unfortunate experience of having to use A&E and it has been an absolute hellscape. Sleeping in corridors, sleeping on floors, not being given adequate pain relief... I had double pneumonia and spent 36 hours literally sleeping in the corner of A&E on the floor using my own coat as a make shift pillow before I had even a fold-up chair. This was a large London teaching hospital in 2024 and not, say, a developing nation in the early part of the 20th century.

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:34

Allnormalhere · 03/05/2024 19:30

"A race to the bottom" and "gleefully pulling down private school kids". Sounds a bit condescending and snobby to me. Is state school education "the bottom"? Some don't think so.

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No I don't think it is but it is certainly in crisis and is a postcode lottery. Great if you are near good schools but many of us aren't. Schools in the south get more funding per pupil than schools in the North. We are NE England with some of the poorest performing schools. Labour have said nothing about addressing that.
If you are lucky enough, like Starmer, to be able to afford a 2 million house to ensure catchment of amazing school them great, but most of us aren't in that position so we do whatever we can to get our DC a decent education.

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:36

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:32

Omg State school so isn’t the bottom can’t believe this has been stated

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No-one has stated this but I live in NE where the poorest performing schools are.

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:38

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:36

No-one has stated this but I live in NE where the poorest performing schools are.

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Fair enough but doesn’t it really need to get better for everyone?

CrappySack · 03/05/2024 19:38

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/05/2024 17:06

Imagine what they'd do if they were voted in despite fking this country over. They'd know they can get away with anything

I agree, CrappySack, though TBH I'm just as worried about what they may be doing right now, knowing their time's very likely over

After all we learned during Covid about their inclinations to feather the nests of cronies it wouldn't surprise me to learn they've grabbed whatever they can while they can

They definitely seem like the types to salt the earth before they go.

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:38

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:38

Fair enough but doesn’t it really need to get better for everyone?

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Yes that was my point. Labour aren't saying that they will do this

Noisyeverywhere · 03/05/2024 19:39

Looks like Tees are still voting Tory - I’ve seen quite a few posters in windows!

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:40

Noisyeverywhere · 03/05/2024 19:39

Looks like Tees are still voting Tory - I’ve seen quite a few posters in windows!

Yes they have elected Tory mayor

CrappySack · 03/05/2024 19:41

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 16:52

The thread is asking about Labour

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It's asking how people think Labour would improve things.

Being less shit that the Tories is a valid answer.

A logical follow on from that is pointing out ways the Tories have been shit.

KickEmJenni · 03/05/2024 19:43

So Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows are off then?

EasternStandard · 03/05/2024 19:43

CrappySack · 03/05/2024 19:41

It's asking how people think Labour would improve things.

Being less shit that the Tories is a valid answer.

A logical follow on from that is pointing out ways the Tories have been shit.

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You can’t get annoyed people are answering with their opinion on what Labour will be like

It’s the thread topic

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:44

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:38

Yes that was my point. Labour aren't saying that they will do this

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But Tories definitely won’t help they are self serving: regionally they are south east centric, abysmal record for caring outside of blue belt Home Counties!

twistyizzy · 03/05/2024 19:45

Goldenbear · 03/05/2024 19:44

But Tories definitely won’t help they are self serving: regionally they are south east centric, abysmal record for caring outside of blue belt Home Counties!

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I never said I was voting Tory but I'm definitely not voting Labour