To ask what you expect from Labour when/if they win the election?

[Welovecrumpets]

Just curious. I’ll be voting for them reluctantly but I’m not really sure what can or will be done about the state of the country. It seems we’re skint so they’ll just have to tinker around the edges.

This made me laugh

Yes, but they've promised to look really sad when they put the boot in.

Leaving aside the rudeness, @frankentall, I'm not sure why you'd consider it unrealistic for a party to oust their leader and substitute one they prefer?

It's been done often enough before, and Jon Lansman and his fellow headbangers with their push for things like mandatory reselection of MPs haven't gone away

Nobody's saying there aren't loads of reasons not to vote Tory. People accusing posters of being Tories are wide of the mark imo. MN is full of people who would love a Labour or other centre-left party they feel they could vote for, but who won't vote for the current Labour Party.

I'd like me and my DC to have enough food, to be warm and be alive and healthy first, then I would worry about marginal stuff like trans rights. I live in Central London and I literally never met a trans person, apart from seeing an occasional trans woman on a tube. But I have been waiting for a GP appointment for a moths, and was stuck in the A&E with a sick DC for 7 hours. My DC goes to school that is overcrowded and struggles for funds. I'm also professional who works full time and I'm fucking poor and struggle like hell. This is what's important to me, and I'm sorry I cant relate to someone living in a bubble.

I'm glad for you, but this isn't the case for every school and education is in crisis.

Which of those circumstances do you think would change under a Labour party?

Well exactly and who has been running the country for the last 14 years🤔

I hope schools and healthcare will improve, I'm not naïve and I know it may mean higher taxes but I would accept it. At least, the NHS will be revived a bit. During the last Labour rule there were Children's Centre and Building School for the Future program, as well as other initiatives - I hope there will be some of that. Basically, something less capitalist and more society minded.

Not really, when so many people are already struggling financially. Stop virtue signalling.

Um, the tories?

You do realise I'm not a tory right?

When you say higher taxes who do you mean is paying them?

Just sensible decisions, stand up to the Unions bullying tactics. And get rid of the dreadful Angela Rayner.

Higher earners, which would probably include myself.

Same as it's not the case that ALL state schools are "cesspits", but when someone makes a sweeping generalisation, perhaps they should expect to be called out on it.

Taxing the right people/ organisations. Happy to pay more NI as Tories introduced for the NhS and then withdrew. I don’t believe anything they say.

Surely you could solve most of those problems by moving out of central London?

I thought you meant this?

I'm also professional who works full time and I'm fucking poor and struggle like hell.

Imagine what they'd do if they were voted in despite fking this country over. They'd know they can get away with anything

I agree, CrappySack, though TBH I'm just as worried about what they may be doing right now, knowing their time's very likely over

After all we learned during Covid about their inclinations to feather the nests of cronies it wouldn't surprise me to learn they've grabbed whatever they can while they can

We aren't getting New Labour, so I think that's wildly optimistic. I'd like to hope that schools and healthcare would improve too but I haven't seen or heard of any policies or innovative ideas that would or could renew either under Labour.

A lot of folk on quite high wages still can't afford to live in central London. So they don't.

The problems in SOME schools in the state sector.

There does seem to be a cohort of Stockholm syndrome type voters who would like more thieving and corruption - it's almost as if they feel weirdly unworthy and therefore deserving of abuse by those in power. It's a worry.

When you learn of the things that are going on in schools and the numbers of teachers who are leaving I think arguing over exact numbers and percentages is pointless. Education is in crisis, regardless of how many 'nice' schools there are out there.
Read the education threads on here, usually started by noblegiraffe, who is a teacher. It's a shitshow.

Not spending the money on (not) flying people to Rwanda or faulty PPE and other enrich your mates schemes will be a start.