To be completely shocked about someone I used to know

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When my youngest was at primary school I really liked this woman who had kids either side of mine.

She was in the PTA equivalent and was just a nice woman. There was no drama around her.

I remember having a day off and went into the local cafe, and she invited me to sit with her friends. She was funny, warm and witty.

Significantly, she had friends of all ethnicities and her best friend was Asian.

Everybody will relate to being busy but I think if it was a different time in my life or we had kids in same year we would have been mates.

I am absolutely shocked that she is a member of a right wing political party and has a presence in that party, utterly and completely shocked.

I know it’s not illegal but God.

All three of my siblings are Tories, I’m not someone who thinks everyone has to think like me but I am stunned.

Mumsnet hates this, but I have had a physical reaction to the news. I am just Gobsmacked and weirdly let down and I do know that’s a stupid, irrational thing to say.

This thread and almost every other thread!

I wasn't even one page in before names like 'Nazi' and 'fascist' were being thrown around. People seem incapable of hearing any viewpoint different to their own without resorting to insults.

I've long suspected the refusal to engage in conversation is because they fear they'll encounter an opinion they moderately agree with and have zero idea about how to respond to it. So it's much easier to just call someone a 'Nazi'. It's beyond tedious.

Agree 💯

I don't think that is really comparable in terms of scale of claim - the timeframe Labour have given is TEN YEARS which is two whole terms, so it is potentially doable.

There absolutely can not be a health service with no waiting lists. To do that you would need to have doctors standing around, and it is impossible to achieve that ever, never mind in the TWO YEARS that Reform have said they will!

I understand what you are saying about being sceptical about targets, but there is:
-a target that looks challenging and could be missed
and
-a proposal that is utter bollocks

I've recently watched the Zone of interest about Rudolph Hoss, who was the longest-serving commandant of the Auschwitz. He was a very loving father and husband and served the 'interests' of his tribe well. So according to quite a few posters, the fact that someone is a nice, gentle, friendly person is all that matters, their politics and ideology doesn't matter, we should just accept it.

Jesus Godwins Law is getting a right threshing here. Here we go again with the Nazi shite 🤣

Its a fact that those correcting others spelling and grammar, and being supercilious superior twats are tending to be singing from the left side of the hymsheet.

That said, I really do feel for the OP who was in such a state of shock that she had a physical reaction, and I hope she's feeling better today.

Well depends if the woman in the OP was just a nice, gentle, friendly person OR if they were a nice, gentle, friendly person who also facilitated mass murder and genocide.

The mass murder wasn't mentioned in the OP. But could be the mother of all dripfeeds I guess?

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Wasn't Rudolph Hoss the son in that old telly programme Bonanza?

Loved it as a kid, iconic intro music too

Yes, she won't be a mass murderer because the laws of this country won't allow for that, but she could have views which, if she and her party came to power, would create a fertile ground for discrimination, dehumanising of certain groups of people, stripping them of their rights and so on.

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Awaits drip feed...

Can you not see that you are making PPs point for them?

The Labour party have until extremely recently said some pretty dehumanising things about women, and been in favour of stripping women's rights. They have a long standing problem with unaddressed antisemitism. They have supported groups which attack lesbians for wanting to exclude males from their dating world, and their MPs have shared platforms with the likes of Sarah Jane Baker, a violent transwoman who tortured and sexually assaulted a teenager and exhorted his followers to 'punch a terf in the face'.

Does all that mean that if you vote Labour, you have views which, if you and your party came to power, would create a fertile ground for discrimination, dehumanising of certain groups of people, stripping them of their rights and so on?

Was about to post that holding political views is slightly different to actively overseeing the genocide of 6million people. Lots of people supported the Nazi party in Germany until the true meaning of what they wanted and the extent to which they were prepared to go to became apparent (eg Schindler, of Schindler's Arc) - as far as the OP states, this person that she now reviles has not committed any atrocities, just got involved in a political party… which she may chose to leave at some point anyway.

I firmly believe that will not happen if Labour comes to power. Those kinds of accusations are just attempts to discredit Labour.
I hope that Labour will try to create a more tolerant society.
Gender identity issues are complex and the situation isn't black and white.

Everything I posted is easily verifiable fact.

Yet you have decided it isn't true, or doesn't matter, because it doesn't fit with what you want to believe.

You judge others on the policies of the parties they support, and the behaviour of the prominent members of those parties. Yet refuse to see the policies and behaviour of the party you support.

Gender identity issues are complex and the situation isn't black and white.

Can you expand on this please @Maia77 ?

Do you agree with Starmer that some women have penises?

Do you believe women should have single sex spaces, such as prisons and refuges?

Do you think that women & girls should have single sex sports?

Do you think children should be taught gender as fact in schools?

Or do you think that the wishes of males who have a gender identity should be more important than the safety, dignity and opportunities of females?

I've said what I think about it. It's complex.

For you it's very black and white, for me it isn't.

As for women with penises, I'd say, some transgender women have penises.

I, personally, don't feel threatened by transgender people.

So you don't hold much store by the rights of women and girls then?

Seems labour is a good fit for you then!

Fair enough.

You might not care but other women do. It's quite simple to us, women need single sex spaces to keep women and girls safe and a progressive democratic society would see that that is necessary.

'Transgender women with penises'

So men then basically.

I personally feel that denying biological reality and effectively getting rid of woman as a sex class, is a very extreme viewpoint, for example.

Should I shun all Labour voters (except perhaps those in Rosie Duffield's constituancy?) due to their political views?

Exactly. PP supports a party with divisive policies, which will strip rights from certain people. But feels superior to other people who support other parties, which don't even seem to have such divisive, rights stripping policies.

I mean if we are talking about exterminating a class of people (in this case women as a sex class) in the hyperbolic way that others have on this thread, doesn't this make them Nazis and fascists?

We can all play at that game!

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women with penises

For fuck's sake.

I was quoting lifeturnsonadime. Should have used quotation marks.

I know the context, but the fact that you went on to give your idea of when, according to you, it can be true...

Women don't have penises. For fuck's sake.