To be completely shocked about someone I used to know

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When my youngest was at primary school I really liked this woman who had kids either side of mine.

She was in the PTA equivalent and was just a nice woman. There was no drama around her.

I remember having a day off and went into the local cafe, and she invited me to sit with her friends. She was funny, warm and witty.

Significantly, she had friends of all ethnicities and her best friend was Asian.

Everybody will relate to being busy but I think if it was a different time in my life or we had kids in same year we would have been mates.

I am absolutely shocked that she is a member of a right wing political party and has a presence in that party, utterly and completely shocked.

I know it’s not illegal but God.

All three of my siblings are Tories, I’m not someone who thinks everyone has to think like me but I am stunned.

Mumsnet hates this, but I have had a physical reaction to the news. I am just Gobsmacked and weirdly let down and I do know that’s a stupid, irrational thing to say.

So you're not interested in discussing the credibility of the Party you support when it comes to issues that impact 51% of the population?

You're only interesting in deriding the policies of opposing parties.

That's not a conversation, it's a lecture.

Women can have penises is magical thinking, no?

Gender is more important that biological reality is appealing to those who work in reality?

And I agree that the idea of no waiting lists is nonsense. No party could actually achieve that.

But calling that 'magical thinking' when the party you support has it's own special form of that going on is hypocritical to say the least.

"No party is looking to exterminate a class of people"

Bold. Are you sure?

Honestly @lifeturnsonadime , give it a rest.

You've decided you know a lot about my politics, but you've made it up in your head.

I wish you well of course, but please stop now.

Which mainstream UK political party is seeking to exterminate a class of people?

Why? You have come on here to be rude about other people's political views because you believe it is magical thinking.

I am asking why you hold their views to a different standard?

There is nothing more magical thinking than the leader of a political party believing that some humans change sex?

Looks like most of the 64% of YABU peeps are far/right wing. Or are blind to the last 8 years (at least).

Robust argument = give it a rest.

Please stop now!

I mean this is hilarious.

I'm asking very reasonable questions.

Mumsnet hates this, but I have had a physical reaction to the news.

In what way? Like a 💩 kind of physical reaction? 🤣

I suspect most of us would be surprised by what some of our friends think on one or two topics we haven't discussed with them.

There are strong opinions and also good people who are loving family members, caring neighbours, in a valuable profession and a contributing volunteer to local groups who on both ends of the political spectrum. I think Greenpeace blocking the Philippines from growing beta carotene gmo rice is monstrous, numerous agencies have declared it safe and it was a big step to fixing childhood blindness (many many children in the 3rd world are dead 12 months after becoming blind) but I don’t hate all extreme leftists, even if these particular ones seem to be pro killing children. I am centre left myself. Ditto people on the right although not to the extent of nazis or the kkk in case that’s not obvious. You should look at her stance and the opinions she supports and wonder why, you might learn something.

Your jugement about foreign nationals understanding British politics is broadly generalizing and a little ridiculous. I would posit that many people outside Britain may well understand British politics better than a lot of wilfully blind local citizens. This is also true of most other countries. Also, they do say the spectators see the best of the game and different perspectives can often provide valuable insights. Sometimes being in it gives you a narrow view and can't see the forest for the trees. You say you are highly educated, surely you must be aware of that.

Often, an outsider's perspective can offer a different angle and help us see the bigger picture. Shutting down a conversation simply because of nationality doesn't foster healthy debate and may limit our understanding of complex issues. Calling people clueless, and saying "stupid comment" or "must be labour" merely undermines any point you are trying to make and just gives the impression that you do not want a debate, but simply to be right and have the last word. But carry on.

I can't help if your offended by the english language 🤷‍♀️

I do not support any argument that brazenly claims to ‘understand’ life and politics in Britain if they spend little to no time here. Speculating from afar is just that, speculating and not rooted in lived experience. To truly understand the politics of any country, one must live day and in and day out within that world to truly grasp and experience the real issues here or anywhere else.

Regurgitating the news you have read, because where else can you obtain information is just parroting the geo politics and vested interests of those that sponsor your journalism and potentially their geo political position- it is just hearsay and mot a substitute for lived experience.

@Polishedshoesalways And I do not accept that everyone understands the politics of the land by vitue of merely living in that country. It is much more complex and nuanced than that. Lived experience is just that, lived experience. It does not necessarily translate to knowledge of politics. That is quite evident in just questioning some people. They have absolutely no clue what's going on with local politics.

The Tories aren't proper racists...Sunack is of Asian decent.
They are slightly too isolationist for me.

You think a lot of yourself, but actually have nothing of substance to add here.

What a clever comment. You should have added "nothing of substance to add here that is within my capacity to understand". I usually do not resort to personal comments, but ad hominem attacks like yours require a response. But something you might reflect on to start with is that many foreign affairs advisors and diplomats, including foreign nationals who are experts in certain fields advice governments on policy issues, as in today's world local politics do have a way of impacting on wider global issues.

Does anyone else have the song 'Somebody that I used to know' in their head now?

Reform is mostly a fed up with immigration vote imo

You’re seeing similar across the EU. It’s because there’s a rising problem with little way to deal with it and voters will show their annoyance

Op is going to feel more physical reactions as their polls pick up

If there is one could you let us know?

I would really kick myself if I voted for genocide.

(Again)

Second houses? How many people do you know who can afford two houses? I do hear it's a problem in Cornwall though. But seriously it's not common the hoops people on this site will jump through to act like the UK's ridiculous open door immigration policy hadn't had any effect on anything and that anyone who says otherwise is evil.
As for air b and bs well they're just mini hotels aren't they, a couple actual big hotels round here have shut down to house migrants so I guess air b and bs are needed 🤷🏻‍♀️