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To be terrified about PIP?

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BobbyBiscuits · 29/04/2024 15:10

I've tried to blank all this out for ages, but today it hit me when the government basically are saying I'm going to (they want me to) have my PIP cut off?
My main illnesses are severe depressive disorder, general anxiety disorder and severe anorexia. I've severe PTSD symptoms and also think I may have ADHD but have not been able to get diagnosed due to phobia of MH services since I got sectioned.
I now have physical symptoms also and severe osteperosis which I put on my last forms. But had no assessment for several years.
I'm praying this is BS from the Tories and they can't do it anyway as they'll be kicked out.
Or could labour still continue this assault against disabled people?
It would halve my already tiny income, other half is from ESA, and they could kick me off that too even though I can't do anything!?

What do people think?

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Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:33

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:31

Disability is disability. Autism and MH are protected disabilities so it will be interesting to see how legally somebody can be denied even if they can prove they have need exactly as they did before.

This government isn’t going to be in power for much longer anyway.

That applies for work purposes, not claiming benefits.

Jegersur · 29/04/2024 22:34

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:29

I mean that they won't care about a person's disability, as the criteria will.mean that almost nobody will qualify for PIP anymore. They will have to work if they want extra money. They won't get anything to assist them anymore.

I don’t understand what you mean.
The money is to help with costs associated with your disability. It’s not “extra” money. Having a disability usually means you have higher living costs. That’s why people who work can get PIP.

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 29/04/2024 22:34

.. of course there will be an appeals process.

As if the crime rate wasn't already sky high, just wait until it's 'work or starve' ..! We'll definitely need more police.

Elleherd · 29/04/2024 22:34

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:27

But the Government is changing the current system. So the decision on who is entitled to claim PIP will not be assessed by medical professionals anymore.

The assessors will have a remit to deny claims as the default position. It will be up to the claimant to prove they are entitled to it. I'm guessing not many will pass the test. So it would be work or starve. The government is hoping that poverty will inspire people to work instead of claiming benefits.

That's to some extant how it already is for PIP re assessment for disabled people who work but couldn't without PIP.
The hope is to push us out of the work we'in and onto unemployment benefits instead, which I'm assuming would save money, as I can't see why else it would be desirable to stop disabled people being in work.

Bushmillsbabe · 29/04/2024 22:36

LadyKenya · 29/04/2024 22:24

You would still need medical evidence to back up whatever you said though. It is not just about using particular "buzzwords".

The letters I had from the hospital which I submitted were very brief, gave very little information other than what medication I was on, so didn't really back anything up anything i said.

A friend with same condition (but more affected than me) applied, with much more extensive medical reports submitted, but was turned down. Her assessor was apparently quite 'brutal' and she crumbled under the pressure and couldn't give specific examples of how her condition affected her life

So yes, it does very much link to how you 'perform' on the day, like any interview. And the subjective opinion of the assessor, who may have very limited medical training. It should be much more objective.

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:37

icclemunchy · 29/04/2024 19:46

Ironically my MH was fine until I had to explain to an assessor that on the days where I can't wipe my own ass no I can't just 'hop in the shower'

But hey, vouchers for therapy will totally fix that 🙄

Why do you have days where you can't wipe your own arse?

Elleherd · 29/04/2024 22:37

Pin0cchio · 29/04/2024 22:29

If you are a high earner and get pip you probably aren't immediately panicking that you might no longer receive it, because you have other sources of money.

The people who are going to be most worried about no longer receiving it, are people who are not working for whom its a core part of their income

and people who are only able to work because of it, who dont want to be forced onto UC.

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:38

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:37

Why do you have days where you can't wipe your own arse?

Really?

GoodnightAdeline · 29/04/2024 22:38

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 29/04/2024 22:34

.. of course there will be an appeals process.

As if the crime rate wasn't already sky high, just wait until it's 'work or starve' ..! We'll definitely need more police.

But spending wildly unaffordable and steeply increasing amounts on benefits isn’t the answer either

OldManLogan · 29/04/2024 22:39

My son has severe anxiety, bi-polar disorder, severe OCD and has been under the mental health care team for years. He's attempted suicide twice and doesn't qualify for pip. The idea that those who do qualify are somehow swinging the lead I find staggering. If this is implemented it will kill people.

But, the DWP will know this and won't give a toss. My son had his UC sanctioned for 200 days for missing an appointment while being treated in hospital after having hanged himself. It's brutal out there.

LadyKenya · 29/04/2024 22:39

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:37

Why do you have days where you can't wipe your own arse?

Hmm
Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:39

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:33

That applies for work purposes, not claiming benefits.

And service providers

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:42

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:39

And service providers

Benefits aren't a "service" the Governmet want to continue with. They literally don't care what characteristic YOU want to protect. They don't want to protect them anymore.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:44

Hereyoume · 29/04/2024 22:42

Benefits aren't a "service" the Governmet want to continue with. They literally don't care what characteristic YOU want to protect. They don't want to protect them anymore.

They don’t get a choice as regards the Equality Act.

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:45

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:11

Autism varies massively. No one person is the same. My daughter needs it for travel costs, heating, extra food expenses for the anorexia…all sorts of things.

Extra food expenses for the anorexia? Please explain how that works.

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:47

XenoBitch · 29/04/2024 22:16

I wish my DP would apply for PIP. He has ASD and struggles massively with so many things.
Just because it is not a "financial need" does not mean it is not a need. PIP is not based on financial needs. Maybe if your ex had actually looked into it, he would have found that out.

But if your partner has no financial needs, then it's just free money.

Why should I fund free money for your partner?

OldManLogan · 29/04/2024 22:49

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:47

But if your partner has no financial needs, then it's just free money.

Why should I fund free money for your partner?

Because I wasted money on your education?

Teeshirt · 29/04/2024 22:49

It makes me so mad. It’s already hard enough. I’m dying of cancer and I don’t qualify for PIP. I’m just not sick enough -yet.

OldManLogan · 29/04/2024 22:51

Teeshirt · 29/04/2024 22:49

It makes me so mad. It’s already hard enough. I’m dying of cancer and I don’t qualify for PIP. I’m just not sick enough -yet.

It's shit, I'm sorry and embarrassed by what we've become.

Jegersur · 29/04/2024 22:52

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:47

But if your partner has no financial needs, then it's just free money.

Why should I fund free money for your partner?

Having a disability or health condition is always connected to finances - because it’s expensive being ill.

SummerBreeze1980 · 29/04/2024 22:53

OldManLogan · 29/04/2024 22:39

My son has severe anxiety, bi-polar disorder, severe OCD and has been under the mental health care team for years. He's attempted suicide twice and doesn't qualify for pip. The idea that those who do qualify are somehow swinging the lead I find staggering. If this is implemented it will kill people.

But, the DWP will know this and won't give a toss. My son had his UC sanctioned for 200 days for missing an appointment while being treated in hospital after having hanged himself. It's brutal out there.

I'm so sorry 😞

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:53

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:45

Extra food expenses for the anorexia? Please explain how that works.

Why? I don’t have to. It was
discussed with her PIP assessor who was hugely understanding and verified with documentation provided by professionals working with her.

You do realise anorexia kills and is the biggest cause of death by mental illness. Hospitalisation coasts the NHS £££££ more than pip
payments that enable my dd to eat.

You don’t get to scrutinise my DD’s award even though this shameful government is trying to whip up a witch hunt doing just that.

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:54

Xenobitch has stated that there's no financial impact due to the disability, so why should somebody receive money for a condition with zero costs?

This is exactly why the entire pip system is unaffordable and will be brought to an end.

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:56

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:54

Xenobitch has stated that there's no financial impact due to the disability, so why should somebody receive money for a condition with zero costs?

This is exactly why the entire pip system is unaffordable and will be brought to an end.

For the disability as it presents in her case. As such it wouldn’t be awarded. For others where there was a cost it would be- when proof was provided.

ThisOldThang · 29/04/2024 22:57

Fresh1ndia · 29/04/2024 22:53

Why? I don’t have to. It was
discussed with her PIP assessor who was hugely understanding and verified with documentation provided by professionals working with her.

You do realise anorexia kills and is the biggest cause of death by mental illness. Hospitalisation coasts the NHS £££££ more than pip
payments that enable my dd to eat.

You don’t get to scrutinise my DD’s award even though this shameful government is trying to whip up a witch hunt doing just that.

You don't have to, but it seems somewhat counterintuitive for anorexia to result in higher food costs.

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