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To say I don’t want to see him again?

111 replies

BrightonFrock · 27/04/2024 14:41

Sorry, this is a long and a lot of people are involved - I’ll try to stick to the essentials without drip feeding!

I’ve been seeing someone, Carl, for a couple of months now. We get on great, but one thing that does bother me is that he’s very “least said, soonest mended” - no one must ever confront an issue or fight back or “make a fuss”. This is absolutely not me. However, I’ve been trying to stay open-minded, and thought it might not be the worst thing to be with someone who’s naturally calmer and more softly-softly than me.

Carl has lived in this area all his life and has a very well-established friendship group. He told me early on that there are a couple of issues at the moment, one being that a married couple within the group, Tony and Janet, split a few months ago. Carl has known Tony for over 20 years, but actually knew Janet first as they were at school together. Janet is unhappy that he’s trying to stay friends with them both and thinks he should side with her. As such, they haven’t spoken much lately and I haven’t met her.

The other issue is that no one likes his friend Dave’s fiancée, Lisa. Carl said they all find her tactless and overbearing. I hadn’t met her until last night, but one of the women I the group (who I really get on well with) had shared the same opinion, unprompted, on another occasion.

Anyway, last night was Tony’s birthday, and I finally got to meet the (in)famous Lisa. I was talking to someone else when she came over to Carl, who’d been chatting to someone near us. I heard her say “Well, I’m surprised to see you here. I thought you were big friends with Janet. I thought you’d be siding with her”. He was clearly embarrassed and just said it was difficult for everyone and he wanted to try to stay out of it. She was still pushing, saying it was VERY difficult for poor Janet, who did she have on her side etc. I couldn’t hear exactly what Carl replied as I was still in another conversation, but he was massively uncomfortable.

I joined him soon afterwards and asked was he going to let her speak to him like that. He said, “Well now you see what I mean about her. Anyway, let’s just forget it. Don’t you go saying anything either”. I wasn’t happy, but thought we’d just avoid her for the rest of the night.

Anyway, she buttonholed me later and said to me “So what do you think of this whole business with Janet?” I said I hadn’t met her yet, but it was obvious very difficult for people. She replied that she was “just surprised” to see me and Carl there. I was getting riled now, but just said that no one likes getting dragged into other people’s arguments. (Hint fucking hint, Lisa.) She then rather condescendingly said, “Well that’s fine, but I happen to LIKE Janet. I think it’s all very unfair”.

Well, that was the final straw for me. I said, “Well alright then - what are YOU doing here?” She was a bit taken aback and asked what I meant. I said “What I said - why are YOU here? It’s Tony’s birthday - if you’re so unhappy about what’s happened between him and Janet, YOU could have stayed away”. She was spluttering a bit and said that was different; she was here with her partner; Carl hadn’t had to come at all. I said, “Well YOU didn’t have to come either. You’ve got a mind of your own, so maybe you should have decided not to come instead of criticising other people”.

Of course, Carl heard the whole thing and started trying to get me away. We talked outside and I pretty much got the blame for the whole thing - why did I have to say anything, he’d told me to just leave it, people will be talking… I said if he didn’t want to stick up for himself I couldn’t force him, but that I wasn’t going to stand by and meekly listen to that. It was so bloody hypocritical! But no; he was still whinging on about how I’d made a scene, didn’t I know he doesn’t like confrontation… I ended up telling him that he was worried about upsetting everyone other than me, and that maybe for once I could get the benefit of his precious diplomacy. In the end I decided I was going home. Surprise surprise, he was more worried about what his friends would think than about the fact that I felt too annoyed to stay.

We’re supposed to be meeting up tonight. I’ve had a message this morning saying “If you can come over a bit earlier tonight, I’d appreciate it. I think we need a chat about last night”.

WIBU to say I don’t want to chat about it, and would frankly rather call it quits? He’ll be expecting me to apologise, but I don’t think I’ve done anything wrong. I will always stand up for myself, and if he thinks that’s unacceptable and is more worried about the opinions of others, we’re just not suited.

OP posts:
BlancheSaysYes · 27/04/2024 14:44

Too much drama after only a couple of months, kick him to the kerb.

PurplePanda1 · 27/04/2024 14:47

I think he is too concerned about what his friends think and not concerned about your feelings. Throw this one back.

Beachcomber74 · 27/04/2024 14:48

His friendship group would put me right off him. It’s like a pack of primary school kids. How old is he?

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 27/04/2024 14:48

He's a complete wet lettuce. I'd bin him.

Maddy70 · 27/04/2024 14:49

Wow so much drama. Why did you feel the need to say anything? Just let them all get on with it?

MyBreezyPombear · 27/04/2024 14:52

It's not going to work between you two.

I personally wouldn't have said anything because I knew it would embarrass him in front of his friends and it was the first time you met them.

However, I can see why you did and I understand why you did.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 27/04/2024 14:52

Just don't go over at all, leave baby to his playground...

BrightonFrock · 27/04/2024 14:52

Beachcomber74 · 27/04/2024 14:48

His friendship group would put me right off him. It’s like a pack of primary school kids. How old is he?

Too old to be putting up with this crap, in my view!

I think you have a point about the friendship group. Most of them are nice people, but they’ve all known each other since they were so young, and I’m not sure they really have what I’d call an adult friendship.

OP posts:
BrightonFrock · 27/04/2024 14:54

Maddy70 · 27/04/2024 14:49

Wow so much drama. Why did you feel the need to say anything? Just let them all get on with it?

I wouldn’t have initiated it, but she kept pushing the point. In hindsight it would have been better to excuse myself from the conversation with a death stare.

OP posts:
Itloggedmeoutagain · 27/04/2024 14:56

I couldn't be doing with that
Too much like hard work

PersephonePomegranate23 · 27/04/2024 14:56

I don't think that was something I'd get riled up about, I'd just let Lisa knock herself out and thinks she's a dick, but having said that, Carl sounds like an insufferable coward.

You're certainly not compatible, I'd bin this one off.

5128gap · 27/04/2024 14:57

If I were him, I'd finish with you. He likes a quiet life. Someone who is confrontational with his friends that she hardly knows, and has already overly immersed herself in drama that's none of her business is the last person to give him that. I'm not saying his actions are right or wrong, but this is his life and his social circle and I think he will see you as a disruptive force that will cause him drama.

Confuddledandmuddled · 27/04/2024 14:59

I’ve dated people like this and they always make me end up questioning myself. ‘Am I too strong minded / opinionated?’ And I know I’m not at all, they’re just wet with no integrity to say what they actually think. Get rid, he will constantly make you feel like you can’t have an opinion. Well done as well - that’s exactly what I would have said… ‘Why the hell are you here if you feel soo bloody sorry for Janet!’

Sparklfairy · 27/04/2024 14:59

He's wet, no doubt about it, but this drama was absolutely none of your business. I'm pretty outspoken and regret it later but even I was cringing at what you said.

I don't understand why you went for her like that. Just say, 'It's none of my business, I've never even met her' and back away slowly, surely?

ExtraOnions · 27/04/2024 15:01

You all sound about 14 ..

Sparkletastic · 27/04/2024 15:02

He sounds pathetic. I'd end it.

Trickabrick · 27/04/2024 15:02

Yeah I’d bin him off, you’ve got different approaches to dealing with conflict that are going to make him ask you to be less than you are.

loropianalover · 27/04/2024 15:05

He’s very concerned about how others perceive him, it seems. You two don’t seem like a good match.

I also agree with above posters that it’s too much drama for such early days. That would be a turn off for me.

Cattenberg · 27/04/2024 15:08

Lisa could have taken the hint and stopped criticising OP, but she didn’t. So she got called out on her own hypocrisy. Fair enough, IMO. But I hope Tony didn’t hear any of this.

I agree that Carl sounds like a wet lettuce and he and OP don’t seem compatible.

FunkyMonks · 27/04/2024 15:11

Get rid of the wet spineless sponge of a man there is a fine balance between being calm and being a complete push over and tolerating other peoples rudeness without calling them out on it when persistent.

Seriously you did nothing wrong it's not like you were swearing or shouting or threatening to take her outside for a fight he's being rather pathetic and I couldn't tolerate being around people like that.

MissUltraViolet · 27/04/2024 15:18

Maybe he isn't such a wet wipe when it's things actually worth causing a fuss about? this all sounded like a bunch of adults acting like silly teenagers.

If that part of his personality bothers you so much (and you feel like you really couldn't deal with this friendship group at all) then no you shouldn't be with him. However, if you really like him then I am not sure this little drama is worth ending it over.

Thepeopleversuswork · 27/04/2024 15:22

I think his friendship group sounds horrendous: a bunch of incestuous drama queens. Lisa sounds unhinged.

That said I wouldn’t have involved myself in her drama. She is batshit unreasonable but there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from rising to her bait.

Cowhen · 27/04/2024 15:27

I don't think you should have got into it with Lisa when he asked you to drop it. But maybe you two aren't compatible. You can break up with someone for any reason at all.

Cattenberg · 27/04/2024 15:30

Perhaps the reason Lisa walks all over this group of people is that they normally just stand there meekly and take it?

She sounds like a nightmare party guest - who on Earth goes around telling other invited guests that they shouldn’t have come?

littleburn · 27/04/2024 15:31

I'd get rid. He has no backbone and will sooner let people take advantage and walk all over him than stick up for himself (or you!).

Honestly, the whole 'least said soonest mended' thing reminds me of my long dead nan and great aunties. 'Don't cause a scene', 'people will talk', 'what will the neighbours say?' were the tenets they lived their lives by. But they grew up in a small mining town in the 1930s! It would give me the absolute ick in a romantic partner.

And if I'd had Lisa jabbering away at me I'd 100% have asked why was she there too!

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