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To say I don’t want to see him again?

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BrightonFrock · 27/04/2024 14:41

Sorry, this is a long and a lot of people are involved - I’ll try to stick to the essentials without drip feeding!

I’ve been seeing someone, Carl, for a couple of months now. We get on great, but one thing that does bother me is that he’s very “least said, soonest mended” - no one must ever confront an issue or fight back or “make a fuss”. This is absolutely not me. However, I’ve been trying to stay open-minded, and thought it might not be the worst thing to be with someone who’s naturally calmer and more softly-softly than me.

Carl has lived in this area all his life and has a very well-established friendship group. He told me early on that there are a couple of issues at the moment, one being that a married couple within the group, Tony and Janet, split a few months ago. Carl has known Tony for over 20 years, but actually knew Janet first as they were at school together. Janet is unhappy that he’s trying to stay friends with them both and thinks he should side with her. As such, they haven’t spoken much lately and I haven’t met her.

The other issue is that no one likes his friend Dave’s fiancée, Lisa. Carl said they all find her tactless and overbearing. I hadn’t met her until last night, but one of the women I the group (who I really get on well with) had shared the same opinion, unprompted, on another occasion.

Anyway, last night was Tony’s birthday, and I finally got to meet the (in)famous Lisa. I was talking to someone else when she came over to Carl, who’d been chatting to someone near us. I heard her say “Well, I’m surprised to see you here. I thought you were big friends with Janet. I thought you’d be siding with her”. He was clearly embarrassed and just said it was difficult for everyone and he wanted to try to stay out of it. She was still pushing, saying it was VERY difficult for poor Janet, who did she have on her side etc. I couldn’t hear exactly what Carl replied as I was still in another conversation, but he was massively uncomfortable.

I joined him soon afterwards and asked was he going to let her speak to him like that. He said, “Well now you see what I mean about her. Anyway, let’s just forget it. Don’t you go saying anything either”. I wasn’t happy, but thought we’d just avoid her for the rest of the night.

Anyway, she buttonholed me later and said to me “So what do you think of this whole business with Janet?” I said I hadn’t met her yet, but it was obvious very difficult for people. She replied that she was “just surprised” to see me and Carl there. I was getting riled now, but just said that no one likes getting dragged into other people’s arguments. (Hint fucking hint, Lisa.) She then rather condescendingly said, “Well that’s fine, but I happen to LIKE Janet. I think it’s all very unfair”.

Well, that was the final straw for me. I said, “Well alright then - what are YOU doing here?” She was a bit taken aback and asked what I meant. I said “What I said - why are YOU here? It’s Tony’s birthday - if you’re so unhappy about what’s happened between him and Janet, YOU could have stayed away”. She was spluttering a bit and said that was different; she was here with her partner; Carl hadn’t had to come at all. I said, “Well YOU didn’t have to come either. You’ve got a mind of your own, so maybe you should have decided not to come instead of criticising other people”.

Of course, Carl heard the whole thing and started trying to get me away. We talked outside and I pretty much got the blame for the whole thing - why did I have to say anything, he’d told me to just leave it, people will be talking… I said if he didn’t want to stick up for himself I couldn’t force him, but that I wasn’t going to stand by and meekly listen to that. It was so bloody hypocritical! But no; he was still whinging on about how I’d made a scene, didn’t I know he doesn’t like confrontation… I ended up telling him that he was worried about upsetting everyone other than me, and that maybe for once I could get the benefit of his precious diplomacy. In the end I decided I was going home. Surprise surprise, he was more worried about what his friends would think than about the fact that I felt too annoyed to stay.

We’re supposed to be meeting up tonight. I’ve had a message this morning saying “If you can come over a bit earlier tonight, I’d appreciate it. I think we need a chat about last night”.

WIBU to say I don’t want to chat about it, and would frankly rather call it quits? He’ll be expecting me to apologise, but I don’t think I’ve done anything wrong. I will always stand up for myself, and if he thinks that’s unacceptable and is more worried about the opinions of others, we’re just not suited.

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LittleCharlotte · 29/04/2024 16:05

I suspect you're the very first person who's spoken to Lisa like that in her life. Well done.

BrightonFrock · 30/04/2024 20:15

Well, I have an update.

I had a message from Carl earlier, saying he knew I said I needed space, but that he felt like he was in limbo. I called him back rather than messaging - I felt I owed him that much - so I’m paraphrasing here:

He told me he got that I was upset, but that he just hadn’t wanted any row on Tony’s birthday and that’s why he’d asked me not to say anything. I said I understood, and that I’d tried to follow his lead, but that there was no way I was going to listen to that all night, so I shut her down. I reiterated that I understood he doesn’t like a fuss or arguments, but that I’m not like that, so maybe he ought to find someone else if he can’t handle that.

I also asked why he was happy to tell me that he thought I was wrong and that he was upset, but would never have said that to Lisa, or indeed any other of his friends. He said that was different; that we were a couple and should be able to be honest with each other. I said fine, but not if it meant showing his friends more consideration than me.

It went around in circles for a bit, but ultimately I said I didn’t see the point in discussing it anymore and that we were just too different, so should just call it a day amicably now rather than getting in deeper. He isn’t happy, but neither would I be if we carried on like this. So that’s that.

Thank you to all who gave advice. Even if I didn’t agree with some of it, it genuinely all helped me make a decision in the end.

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exomoon · 30/04/2024 20:24

OP, what you said to him is exactly right.

You’re right, at the end of the day he has more consideration for these people than you.

You’re right to leave the lot of them to it.

I hope you find someone much better very soon.

Superlambaanana · 30/04/2024 21:22

Don't look back OP. Ive been in a relationship with someone like Carl and they just incapable of seeing another person's point of view. To the extent that eventually they make you question your own grip on reality.

Can you imagine if you'd continued with him and had to keep seeing Lisa and had to put up with everything she said to keep Carl happy?! Horrendous!

Newestname002 · 01/05/2024 08:13

@BrightonFrock

Very well done, OP, for having a clear and adult conversation with Carl. He just doesn't seem to see your point of view and it doesn't sound as though he'd be open to change in the future. 🌹

LittleCharlotte · 01/05/2024 13:28

Well done for having an open, honest conversation. You've definitely done the right thing. It's sad that he feels he can't be as frank with his friends; that sounds an uncomfortable way to live.

GerbilsForever24 · 01/05/2024 13:43

Just to say that his original text message to you would have got my back up. To be summoned to "chat". So I think this is definitely not a relationship that's going anywhere and well done for ending it.

I also agree with you re Lisa. I will never udnerstand people who like to cast shade at this sort of event while talking to strangers and who then act all surprised when someone pushes back.

BrightonFrock · 07/05/2024 18:32

I have an update!

One of Carl’s friends - the woman who told me she didn’t like Lisa - has messaged me on Facebook. She said “I’m really sorry to hear things haven’t worked out with you and Carl. Are you sure you won’t give him another chance? I know he really likes you and I’m sure you could sort things out. Don’t chuck it away over a stroppy cow like Lisa 😉”

All this has done is convince me that I’ve done the right thing! They are all way too involved in one another’s lives!

She’s a nice woman, but I’m not sure whether to even send a “thanks for your nice thoughts but not happening” message. Maybe sleeping dogs are best left to lie?

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WhereYouLeftIt · 07/05/2024 18:53

God, NO! (to getting back with the limp fish that is Carl.)

Carl's “least said, soonest mended” approach to life would just drive you mad (it would drive me mad too).

BlancheSaysYes · 07/05/2024 19:02

Ignore the message and thank the lord for the bullet you have dodged, that being Carl and his weird intertwined friendship group.

Olika · 07/05/2024 19:06

Oh god you did the right decision. These people are too involved in each other's lives. You would go crazy with them always being there and sticking their nose in. I would just ignore the message. Or just say no thank you.

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