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To say I don’t want to see him again?

111 replies

BrightonFrock · 27/04/2024 14:41

Sorry, this is a long and a lot of people are involved - I’ll try to stick to the essentials without drip feeding!

I’ve been seeing someone, Carl, for a couple of months now. We get on great, but one thing that does bother me is that he’s very “least said, soonest mended” - no one must ever confront an issue or fight back or “make a fuss”. This is absolutely not me. However, I’ve been trying to stay open-minded, and thought it might not be the worst thing to be with someone who’s naturally calmer and more softly-softly than me.

Carl has lived in this area all his life and has a very well-established friendship group. He told me early on that there are a couple of issues at the moment, one being that a married couple within the group, Tony and Janet, split a few months ago. Carl has known Tony for over 20 years, but actually knew Janet first as they were at school together. Janet is unhappy that he’s trying to stay friends with them both and thinks he should side with her. As such, they haven’t spoken much lately and I haven’t met her.

The other issue is that no one likes his friend Dave’s fiancée, Lisa. Carl said they all find her tactless and overbearing. I hadn’t met her until last night, but one of the women I the group (who I really get on well with) had shared the same opinion, unprompted, on another occasion.

Anyway, last night was Tony’s birthday, and I finally got to meet the (in)famous Lisa. I was talking to someone else when she came over to Carl, who’d been chatting to someone near us. I heard her say “Well, I’m surprised to see you here. I thought you were big friends with Janet. I thought you’d be siding with her”. He was clearly embarrassed and just said it was difficult for everyone and he wanted to try to stay out of it. She was still pushing, saying it was VERY difficult for poor Janet, who did she have on her side etc. I couldn’t hear exactly what Carl replied as I was still in another conversation, but he was massively uncomfortable.

I joined him soon afterwards and asked was he going to let her speak to him like that. He said, “Well now you see what I mean about her. Anyway, let’s just forget it. Don’t you go saying anything either”. I wasn’t happy, but thought we’d just avoid her for the rest of the night.

Anyway, she buttonholed me later and said to me “So what do you think of this whole business with Janet?” I said I hadn’t met her yet, but it was obvious very difficult for people. She replied that she was “just surprised” to see me and Carl there. I was getting riled now, but just said that no one likes getting dragged into other people’s arguments. (Hint fucking hint, Lisa.) She then rather condescendingly said, “Well that’s fine, but I happen to LIKE Janet. I think it’s all very unfair”.

Well, that was the final straw for me. I said, “Well alright then - what are YOU doing here?” She was a bit taken aback and asked what I meant. I said “What I said - why are YOU here? It’s Tony’s birthday - if you’re so unhappy about what’s happened between him and Janet, YOU could have stayed away”. She was spluttering a bit and said that was different; she was here with her partner; Carl hadn’t had to come at all. I said, “Well YOU didn’t have to come either. You’ve got a mind of your own, so maybe you should have decided not to come instead of criticising other people”.

Of course, Carl heard the whole thing and started trying to get me away. We talked outside and I pretty much got the blame for the whole thing - why did I have to say anything, he’d told me to just leave it, people will be talking… I said if he didn’t want to stick up for himself I couldn’t force him, but that I wasn’t going to stand by and meekly listen to that. It was so bloody hypocritical! But no; he was still whinging on about how I’d made a scene, didn’t I know he doesn’t like confrontation… I ended up telling him that he was worried about upsetting everyone other than me, and that maybe for once I could get the benefit of his precious diplomacy. In the end I decided I was going home. Surprise surprise, he was more worried about what his friends would think than about the fact that I felt too annoyed to stay.

We’re supposed to be meeting up tonight. I’ve had a message this morning saying “If you can come over a bit earlier tonight, I’d appreciate it. I think we need a chat about last night”.

WIBU to say I don’t want to chat about it, and would frankly rather call it quits? He’ll be expecting me to apologise, but I don’t think I’ve done anything wrong. I will always stand up for myself, and if he thinks that’s unacceptable and is more worried about the opinions of others, we’re just not suited.

OP posts:
Ohnobackagain · 28/04/2024 08:41

@BrightonFrock absolutely - doesn’t matter what they think.

Wishimaywishimight · 28/04/2024 08:44

I'm with Carl. You got involved in a situation you knew very little about and when he had asked you not to. You also sounded quite aggressive in your approach.

I suspect you are about to be dumped.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 28/04/2024 08:50

God they all sound far too involved with each others lives , overly dramatic and incredibly pathetic. Those wouldn’t be my people so I’d be out.

littleburn · 28/04/2024 08:58

I think the night out brought all it to a head, but whether you should have 'confronted' Lisa or not is a bit of a red herring. Your description of him as "no one must ever confront an issue or fight back or “make a fuss” sounds really wearing. The type who'd sit passively in a restaurant for an hour 'not making a fuss' whilst being ignored by the waiter! You're just incompatible. Good for you not being so desperate to keep a partner to pretend otherwise or change who you are!

sweetpickle2 · 28/04/2024 09:03

He’s definitely a wet lettuce but honestly not sure why you said what you did to Lisa. I don’t avoid confrontation either but you’d just met her, I don’t think it was your place to have a go at her like that. You all sound like drama queens tbh.

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 09:19

Wishimaywishimight · 28/04/2024 08:44

I'm with Carl. You got involved in a situation you knew very little about and when he had asked you not to. You also sounded quite aggressive in your approach.

I suspect you are about to be dumped.

I didn’t “get involved” - if you read my original post, you can see I tried to take exactly the same approach as Carl. She kept pushing it. If she hadn’t done that I’d have been more than happy to stick to the usual small talk you make when you first meet someone.

I’m not the kind of person who worries about who ends a relationship. If it’s over, it’s over. The end result is the same regardless of whether I end it or he does.

OP posts:
Olika · 28/04/2024 10:01

Make the break permanent. You two are not compatible so better to call it quits now than wasting more time.

LeaveTheClocksAlone · 28/04/2024 10:25

Carl sounds like a right wimp

BMW6 · 28/04/2024 10:29

You were totally right in calling out Lisa for her utter hypocrisy. She demanded an answer from you - she got one!

Carl sounds like an absolute drip.

zingally · 28/04/2024 10:29

Oh, just dump him. Life is far too short for hanging around with this pathetic little wetwipe.

You're clearly not suited, find him quite irritating, and are now being summoned to his house for a telling off, like a naughty kid getting sent to the headmaster? Fuck that.

Onelifeonly · 28/04/2024 10:34

I don't know. I voted YABU because you knew he didn't want a fuss made but you made it anyway. I understand why you said what you said, and I can be outspoken where others aren't. But I am also aware that most people prefer not to be like this and I try to respect this. To me it is about judging whether it's worth saying anything over causing unnecessary upset. So I probably would have tried to shut her down (Carl feels he is friends with both of them and I support that) rather than confront.

However, presumably you are either not that keen on Carl or this personality trait of his is giving you the ick, so YANBU to stop seeing him.

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 10:39

Carl sounds mildly wet, and overly involved in the relationship drama of his friends , but you sound like one of those tiresomely chippy, aggressive types who ‘speaks as they find’ and goes into attack mode under the impression they are ‘standing up for themselves’. I imagine he’ll break it off with you, anyway — from his POV, someone he’s only recently started dating got into a verbal altercation with his friend’s fiancée about someone she’s never met.

Gettingbysomehow · 28/04/2024 10:42

I'm like you I'd have had to say something.
I couldn't be with a massive people pleaser it would drive me nuts.

Onelifeonly · 28/04/2024 10:51

There's a fine line between being a people pleaser (we all are to a greater or lesser extent, only psychopaths don't care) and confronting everything you don't agree with or that annoys you.

To choose which side of the line to take you need to assess the situation and weigh up the harms and benefits. OP has decided the harm to the man she is/ was dating is of less concern than the satisfaction of berating one of his friend's girlfriends.

To make the call she made, clearly OP didn't care too much about Carl in the first place.

Winningatpatriachychicken · 28/04/2024 11:00

@BrightonFrock

You sound spectacular, Carl sounds like a drip.

Have a great Sunday

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 11:07

Onelifeonly · 28/04/2024 10:51

There's a fine line between being a people pleaser (we all are to a greater or lesser extent, only psychopaths don't care) and confronting everything you don't agree with or that annoys you.

To choose which side of the line to take you need to assess the situation and weigh up the harms and benefits. OP has decided the harm to the man she is/ was dating is of less concern than the satisfaction of berating one of his friend's girlfriends.

To make the call she made, clearly OP didn't care too much about Carl in the first place.

The “harm”? I didn’t hit him with a brick!

If you’re going to look at it that way, why were my feelings of less concern to him than those of someone he doesn’t even like?

OP posts:
LeaveTheClocksAlone · 28/04/2024 11:09

BMW6 · 28/04/2024 10:29

You were totally right in calling out Lisa for her utter hypocrisy. She demanded an answer from you - she got one!

Carl sounds like an absolute drip.

Exactly! I don't know why people are calling the OP aggressive and dramatic. She was pushed - she pushed back. Good for her on not being shoved around by the gobby twat.

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 11:24

Gettingbysomehow · 28/04/2024 10:42

I'm like you I'd have had to say something.
I couldn't be with a massive people pleaser it would drive me nuts.

I assume that if you’re in a longterm group of very tightly-meshed adult friends who see an awful lot of one another, there’s a fair bit of semi-compulsory lip-biting and keeping schtum, though, especially when two of the group are divorcing . It sounds as if there is in this group a general ‘keep schtum’ rule, hence the general dislike of the new fiancée who didn’t get the memo.

I mean, it’s Carl’s decision how he behaves with his friends, how he negotiates trying to maintain friendships with both halves of a divorcing couple. Someone he’s been dating two months really doesn’t have the right to decide he’s not ‘asserting himself’ with Lisa the irritating, who is, after all, going to marry his close friend, and with whom he’s unlikely to want to fall out.

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 11:29

LeaveTheClocksAlone · 28/04/2024 11:09

Exactly! I don't know why people are calling the OP aggressive and dramatic. She was pushed - she pushed back. Good for her on not being shoved around by the gobby twat.

She is aggressive and dramatic. Lisa is a total stranger generally reputed to be annoying, and the OP has never even met Janet — and she’s been seeing Carl for two months (and it’s clearly over, pretty much, as she thinks he’s wet and he thinks she’s needlessly reactive) . She has no skin in the game.

I’m an assertive person who doesn’t let herself get pushed around, but in this scenario I’d probably have said ‘Gosh, Lisa, you seem a bit over-invested in all of this. Maybe take a chill pill’ and gone and got another drink or talked to someone more interesting.

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 11:30

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 11:29

She is aggressive and dramatic. Lisa is a total stranger generally reputed to be annoying, and the OP has never even met Janet — and she’s been seeing Carl for two months (and it’s clearly over, pretty much, as she thinks he’s wet and he thinks she’s needlessly reactive) . She has no skin in the game.

I’m an assertive person who doesn’t let herself get pushed around, but in this scenario I’d probably have said ‘Gosh, Lisa, you seem a bit over-invested in all of this. Maybe take a chill pill’ and gone and got another drink or talked to someone more interesting.

Ha! How would your reply have been any better?

OP posts:
LeaveTheClocksAlone · 28/04/2024 11:32

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 11:29

She is aggressive and dramatic. Lisa is a total stranger generally reputed to be annoying, and the OP has never even met Janet — and she’s been seeing Carl for two months (and it’s clearly over, pretty much, as she thinks he’s wet and he thinks she’s needlessly reactive) . She has no skin in the game.

I’m an assertive person who doesn’t let herself get pushed around, but in this scenario I’d probably have said ‘Gosh, Lisa, you seem a bit over-invested in all of this. Maybe take a chill pill’ and gone and got another drink or talked to someone more interesting.

Telling someone to take a chill pill is very immature

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 11:34

LeaveTheClocksAlone · 28/04/2024 11:32

Telling someone to take a chill pill is very immature

It’s exactly what I would be telling a total stranger trying to get me into a fight about a woman I’ve never met — it’s a pretty ‘immature’ situation.

exomoon · 28/04/2024 11:40

I LOVED your response to Lisa, OP 🤣

You have to remember most MNers can’t say boo to a goose so they resent you for being assertive.

You tried to be diplomatic but Lisa kept pushing it, the hypocritical twat. And Carl is a coward who runs after these toxic couples and then tries to placate you when his friends are safely out of sight.

They all sound a bunch of losers, you’re well out of it!

x2boys · 28/04/2024 11:40

This all sounds quite juvenile
My son has a habit of telling me about all the dramas in his friendship group ,but he's only 17 ,how old are these people? ,
I don't think I could be bothered with all this tbh.

ThinWomansBrain · 28/04/2024 11:46

all sounds very childish - but your partners attitude of 'let them get on with it' rather than being confrontational seems appropriate, rather than escalating it to a drama.