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To say I don’t want to see him again?

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BrightonFrock · 27/04/2024 14:41

Sorry, this is a long and a lot of people are involved - I’ll try to stick to the essentials without drip feeding!

I’ve been seeing someone, Carl, for a couple of months now. We get on great, but one thing that does bother me is that he’s very “least said, soonest mended” - no one must ever confront an issue or fight back or “make a fuss”. This is absolutely not me. However, I’ve been trying to stay open-minded, and thought it might not be the worst thing to be with someone who’s naturally calmer and more softly-softly than me.

Carl has lived in this area all his life and has a very well-established friendship group. He told me early on that there are a couple of issues at the moment, one being that a married couple within the group, Tony and Janet, split a few months ago. Carl has known Tony for over 20 years, but actually knew Janet first as they were at school together. Janet is unhappy that he’s trying to stay friends with them both and thinks he should side with her. As such, they haven’t spoken much lately and I haven’t met her.

The other issue is that no one likes his friend Dave’s fiancée, Lisa. Carl said they all find her tactless and overbearing. I hadn’t met her until last night, but one of the women I the group (who I really get on well with) had shared the same opinion, unprompted, on another occasion.

Anyway, last night was Tony’s birthday, and I finally got to meet the (in)famous Lisa. I was talking to someone else when she came over to Carl, who’d been chatting to someone near us. I heard her say “Well, I’m surprised to see you here. I thought you were big friends with Janet. I thought you’d be siding with her”. He was clearly embarrassed and just said it was difficult for everyone and he wanted to try to stay out of it. She was still pushing, saying it was VERY difficult for poor Janet, who did she have on her side etc. I couldn’t hear exactly what Carl replied as I was still in another conversation, but he was massively uncomfortable.

I joined him soon afterwards and asked was he going to let her speak to him like that. He said, “Well now you see what I mean about her. Anyway, let’s just forget it. Don’t you go saying anything either”. I wasn’t happy, but thought we’d just avoid her for the rest of the night.

Anyway, she buttonholed me later and said to me “So what do you think of this whole business with Janet?” I said I hadn’t met her yet, but it was obvious very difficult for people. She replied that she was “just surprised” to see me and Carl there. I was getting riled now, but just said that no one likes getting dragged into other people’s arguments. (Hint fucking hint, Lisa.) She then rather condescendingly said, “Well that’s fine, but I happen to LIKE Janet. I think it’s all very unfair”.

Well, that was the final straw for me. I said, “Well alright then - what are YOU doing here?” She was a bit taken aback and asked what I meant. I said “What I said - why are YOU here? It’s Tony’s birthday - if you’re so unhappy about what’s happened between him and Janet, YOU could have stayed away”. She was spluttering a bit and said that was different; she was here with her partner; Carl hadn’t had to come at all. I said, “Well YOU didn’t have to come either. You’ve got a mind of your own, so maybe you should have decided not to come instead of criticising other people”.

Of course, Carl heard the whole thing and started trying to get me away. We talked outside and I pretty much got the blame for the whole thing - why did I have to say anything, he’d told me to just leave it, people will be talking… I said if he didn’t want to stick up for himself I couldn’t force him, but that I wasn’t going to stand by and meekly listen to that. It was so bloody hypocritical! But no; he was still whinging on about how I’d made a scene, didn’t I know he doesn’t like confrontation… I ended up telling him that he was worried about upsetting everyone other than me, and that maybe for once I could get the benefit of his precious diplomacy. In the end I decided I was going home. Surprise surprise, he was more worried about what his friends would think than about the fact that I felt too annoyed to stay.

We’re supposed to be meeting up tonight. I’ve had a message this morning saying “If you can come over a bit earlier tonight, I’d appreciate it. I think we need a chat about last night”.

WIBU to say I don’t want to chat about it, and would frankly rather call it quits? He’ll be expecting me to apologise, but I don’t think I’ve done anything wrong. I will always stand up for myself, and if he thinks that’s unacceptable and is more worried about the opinions of others, we’re just not suited.

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CuteCillian · 27/04/2024 15:32

After a couple of months dating someone, I would more than likely pay more regard to my friends of 20+ years, than my girl/boyfriend.
You don't seem compatible.

trytopullyoursocksup · 27/04/2024 15:37

Basically you don't like him, so of course it's right to end it.

But - this time, he is asking to talk / deal with the issues (which is what you said you prefer to do) and you are the one who can't be bothered.
Fair enough if you never want to see him again, but is there an element of - you like challenging people but don't want to be challenged?

I think I am a bit more like Carl in that I will want to talk things out with a partner or someone very close to me; but most people I just rub along with and if I think they're inconsistent or stupid or otherwise a bit crap I just leave it. I wouldn't want a partner who goes about speaking their mind to people they hardly know, but equally I wouldn't want a partner who after a disagreement with me, thinks there is no point in saying anything.

Basically you went to a party, accepted a challenge from someone who does actually sound like a stirrer rather than just writing them off as an almost-stranger who likes a pointless fight. And because he didn't back you in this you think he's wet. I see it more as: he picks his battles, but would hash out a constructive disagreement with someone close. You just want to go into random pointless battles with a cheerleader. Sounds exhausting

OneThreadOnly · 27/04/2024 15:41

I must admit I was thinking - well why is she there then if she feels so strongly about it?

Having said that, you were pre warned that she is overbearing and no one really likes her so you could have just brushed her off as asked and not engaged with the conversation. They aren’t your friends so why are you so bothered about being “right”.

RomeoRivers · 27/04/2024 15:42

I think it’s highly likely that he’s asked you to come round early, so that he can finish with you.

If I was you, I would also be finishing with him. So maybe it’s better to save you both wasting an evening and calling it quits by text?

thepmforever · 27/04/2024 15:44

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Ohnobackagain · 27/04/2024 17:17

@BrightonFrock I stand up for myself but in a first time situation like that I’d have probably kept quiet. However, some of them do seem to be a bit hypocritical and I’d have had to talk to Carl about that later … much as that woman would have seriously annoyed me saying Carl didn’t have to attend blah blah blah… I suspect you might not work as a couple, but the problem is if it ends now, the awful group will all be thinking Carl dumped you because of what went on when in fact you retailiating actually came from sticking up for your (and Carl’s) right to attend. I’d be torn between wanting to defend myself and actually wanting to be done with the whole sad bunch of them 🫢.

sorry, no help at all really!

LakeTiticaca · 27/04/2024 17:18

Way too much drama. Bin him off

Predictablenamechange1 · 27/04/2024 17:33

Honestly OP I would ditch Carl. I'm married to a complete people pleaser and it is exhausting (I didn't know he was like this when we got together and now I'm in too deep...).

I've had to throw 'friends' of his out of our flat before - eg one who was suggesting we set up our other friend to get drunk with us and then 'slip out' so he could try and take advantage. And one who was shouting the N word loudly at 3am (he's white, most of our neighbours are black and sound carries in our flat, not that it'd be any better otherwise).

In both cases (and others, too many to mention) I'm made out to be aggressive or something - I'm not but I will not stand for people being dicks whether it's to me or someone else. He tries to calm everything. Honestly it's just such a disjoint of life outlooks.

MsMcGonagall · 27/04/2024 17:33

Well, because now, he isn't trying to run away from a difficult conversation, he wants to talk it over with you; because of that, I would go and discuss it with him calmly, instead of myself trying to avoid the topic.

Clarabell77 · 27/04/2024 17:41

Beachcomber74 · 27/04/2024 14:48

His friendship group would put me right off him. It’s like a pack of primary school kids. How old is he?

This.

Kindleonfire · 27/04/2024 17:42

The thing that struck me in all of this was how everyone has had a good old bitch about Lisa behind her back, saying she's overbearing. Your date included. If they're doing that about Lisa, they're doing the same about you too. Do you want to be with someone like that?

FilthyforFirth · 27/04/2024 17:55

Lisa sounds like a dick and Carl doesnt sound much better.

Bin him off over text, make plans with your mates tonight and laugh at what a lucky escape you've had.

My DH also avoids confrontation and it is bloody draining having to be the one to stick up for whats right, complain when warranted etc.

katebushh · 27/04/2024 21:37

I reckon he might be giving you the elbow at this chat later but him and his mates sound like far too much hard work, I'd fuck the whole mess off and just let it and him go.

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 07:16

Apologies for the silence - I was at a friend’s talking it all out.

While I was deciding what to say to Carl, I got a message from him asking why I was ignoring him. I sent this back:

”I wasn’t ignoring you; I just needed some time to think. I’m not coming over tonight and I think we need to take a break for a while. Last night made me feel like you’re more worried about what your friends think than how I feel. We’re basically very different people. Your main concern is avoiding an argument, whereas I will always stand up for myself. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, but I just don’t think our attitudes are compatible. Lisa kept pushing me, but instead of being annoyed with her - someone you don’t even like - you’re annoyed with me for how I reacted. I can’t be with someone who isn’t in my corner. Let’s leave things for now and see how we feel in a few days”.

He tried to call and I didn’t answer; he messaged saying why won’t I just come over, we need to talk etc. But I honestly think I’m done. He wants someone who’ll nod and smile, and that’s not me.

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BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 07:20

trytopullyoursocksup · 27/04/2024 15:37

Basically you don't like him, so of course it's right to end it.

But - this time, he is asking to talk / deal with the issues (which is what you said you prefer to do) and you are the one who can't be bothered.
Fair enough if you never want to see him again, but is there an element of - you like challenging people but don't want to be challenged?

I think I am a bit more like Carl in that I will want to talk things out with a partner or someone very close to me; but most people I just rub along with and if I think they're inconsistent or stupid or otherwise a bit crap I just leave it. I wouldn't want a partner who goes about speaking their mind to people they hardly know, but equally I wouldn't want a partner who after a disagreement with me, thinks there is no point in saying anything.

Basically you went to a party, accepted a challenge from someone who does actually sound like a stirrer rather than just writing them off as an almost-stranger who likes a pointless fight. And because he didn't back you in this you think he's wet. I see it more as: he picks his battles, but would hash out a constructive disagreement with someone close. You just want to go into random pointless battles with a cheerleader. Sounds exhausting

Maybe I should give you Carl’s number - you sound well suited!

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Sparklfairy · 28/04/2024 07:27

I think you're right. He wasn't exactly going to bring you over early to give you a high five about what happened, he wanted to lecture you.

Crispyturtle · 28/04/2024 07:36

I have a good friend with an irritating spouse, we all tolerate him because we love her and don’t want a wedge driven between us. He asked you not to say anything and you couldn’t just grey-rock her for one night? I’d say from this you just aren’t compatible and it might be best to move on.

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 07:37

Ohnobackagain · 27/04/2024 17:17

@BrightonFrock I stand up for myself but in a first time situation like that I’d have probably kept quiet. However, some of them do seem to be a bit hypocritical and I’d have had to talk to Carl about that later … much as that woman would have seriously annoyed me saying Carl didn’t have to attend blah blah blah… I suspect you might not work as a couple, but the problem is if it ends now, the awful group will all be thinking Carl dumped you because of what went on when in fact you retailiating actually came from sticking up for your (and Carl’s) right to attend. I’d be torn between wanting to defend myself and actually wanting to be done with the whole sad bunch of them 🫢.

sorry, no help at all really!

TBH, if they want to think that, let them. There are some nice people in the group, but realistically I’ll probably never see any of them again, so it doesn’t really matter what they think the reason is.

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Superlambaanana · 28/04/2024 07:39

I think you've done the right thing to get out early there op. And your message to him read very well. He sounds like someone who you could spend years with seemingly in a sort of vaguely happy way but in reality it would be all about protecting him from any upset and protecting those eggshells would be soul destroying in the end.

His message to come over early for a talk would have been enough to put me off in itself - sounded very much like a summons to the headmaster's office for a condescending talk on how young ladies are expected to behave. He should apologised to you in that text! Good riddance!

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 28/04/2024 07:50

I'm genuinely baffled at people saying you shouldn't have said anything to Lisa. If someone starts having a go at you, which she clearly was, and you try to bat it aside, which you did, but they keep having a go at you, which she did, you are entitled to defend yourself. I wish I had your guts.

If he's going to take the attitude that you daring to stick up for yourself is a big problem then I think this would end up being the first of many such incidents.

Have you met his family yet? If he has overbearing relations who you are not allowed to stand up to that could end up being a real nightmare. Especially if he has an overbearing mum and you end up being mother to her grandchildren. (His mum could be lovely, I'm just speculating, there's so many women posting on here about their awful MIL and a DH who won't stand up to them).

I expect this is going to be an ongoing issue and it's not one I could live with in a long term relationship so probably better to get out now.

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 07:50

Crispyturtle · 28/04/2024 07:36

I have a good friend with an irritating spouse, we all tolerate him because we love her and don’t want a wedge driven between us. He asked you not to say anything and you couldn’t just grey-rock her for one night? I’d say from this you just aren’t compatible and it might be best to move on.

Do you continue to “grey rock” him even when he keeps pushing? I couldn’t live like that.

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Lillers · 28/04/2024 07:51

I like your reply, OP, it covers exactly what I’d have suggested you say.

It’s not that you ignored Carl’s wishes and decided to go and fight his corner - it’s that you got hassled, stood up for yourself and he got upset!

Fine if he doesn’t want to fight his own battles. Fine if he doesn’t want you to fight his. Annoying but understand if he doesn’t want to fight yours with you. But he can absolutely do one if he’s going to try to stop you from defending yourself. It doesn’t matter if he was subject of this woman’s attack - the fact is that it was you she was attacking at that moment, and you had every right to put a stop to it.

Good for you.

Edited because I’d said “fine if he doesn’t want you fight yours” when I meant “his”.

YoureALizardHarry11 · 28/04/2024 08:02

FWIW, you were right in what you said, Lisa sounds like a hypocritical drama lover who needs to get a life, quite frankly. However, you shouldn’t have taken the bait and reacted the way you did. It’s not really any of your business and you don’t know any of them well enough. I’d have just said something along the lines of, ‘’I don’t want to get involved as I don’t know you all well enough to take sides’’ and walked away from any further prompting. In any case, tell Carl it will never work out as you two are like chalk and cheese. He’s way too passive even for me.

daisychain01 · 28/04/2024 08:06

Why did you 'bite'? You knew Lisa is a stirrer.

Im with Carl, stop engaging with Lisa, and MYOB.

BrightonFrock · 28/04/2024 08:11

daisychain01 · 28/04/2024 08:06

Why did you 'bite'? You knew Lisa is a stirrer.

Im with Carl, stop engaging with Lisa, and MYOB.

Well, I won’t ever have to clap eyes on the vile woman again now.

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