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to ask you about different types of privilege women can have? e.g slim, educated

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pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:30

Just that really - what are the different types of privilege that women can have that make them more or less privileged than other women?

e.g able bodied, wealth, education, slim. What else is there?

is height one? how about hair colour and accent etc?

I am trying to understand

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Tomatina · 27/04/2024 18:17

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 12:44

yes of course, but that does not mean that it is not something that will then afford you privilege! There seems to be some misunderstanding amongst some posters about the meaning of the term privilege. Privilege is not necessarily something which is naturally acquired / something you are born with, it can be something you purchase or work for or are given. It is still a privilege.

You seem to assume that everyone in the world has a preference for blonde hair. This is simply not true. Even from a purely aesthetic point of view, many people find dark hair, brown hair, or red hair more appealing. It's totally subjective.

So I can't see that 'blonde hair' can be considered a form of privilege in the way that race, class, money, education, health etc certainly can.

theeyeofdoe · 27/04/2024 18:18

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 11:34

You don't agree that being slim affords you privilege relative to people who are overweight? Surely you can understand how this benefits you.

For most people they don't choose to be slim, they just choose to eat healthily. That's a choice, not a privilege.

OneTC · 27/04/2024 18:19

ConflictedCheetah · 27/04/2024 17:49

there were 27.2 stop and searches for every 1,000 black people, compared with 5.6 for every 1,000 white people

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest/

Sure, and this is not in dispute. I only pointed out that being white doesn't make you immune from the police and that the belief that you don't need to worry about them is misplaced. Everyone should worry about the police

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 18:21

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 12:30

Not everybody can be slim

most people can. It is a choice

Mrttyl · 27/04/2024 18:21

The country you are born in and what your parents are like.

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 18:22

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 12:39

No social science homework here! Or any homework for that matter.

You evidently have not read the articles or tried to gain an understanding of how privilege operates if you are willing to refute the objective fact that blonde hair is a privilege (in the majority of contexts)

seriously, anyone claiming that blond hair is a privilege is basically ruling themselves out of being taken seriously on any level.

BIossomtoes · 27/04/2024 18:24

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 18:21

most people can. It is a choice

Only someone who doesn’t have an efficient metabolism would say this. If there was a famine I’d be the last woman standing.

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 18:24

pepperandapples · 27/04/2024 13:12

*dye

well, you are clearly very highly privileged in not being dyslexic

TwelveAngryWhiskers · 27/04/2024 18:25

According to an ex friend, I have slim and pretty privilege. I can honestly say it has got me absolutely nowhere. Sounds like you're looking for yet another way to pit women against each other.

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 18:26

BIossomtoes · 27/04/2024 18:24

Only someone who doesn’t have an efficient metabolism would say this. If there was a famine I’d be the last woman standing.

I said most people can. Not all people can. Not all people can at all times. But most people can most of the time

auntiesalli · 27/04/2024 18:28

Being White

ConflictedCheetah · 27/04/2024 18:29

OneTC · 27/04/2024 18:19

Sure, and this is not in dispute. I only pointed out that being white doesn't make you immune from the police and that the belief that you don't need to worry about them is misplaced. Everyone should worry about the police

The point about privilege is relativity though. I mean, I'm not sure I agree 'everyone should worry about the police ' but leaving that aside: all other things being equal do young white men have to worry about being stop and searched the way as young black men do? No. That's white privilege.

The all other things being equal here is important. The whole point of intersectionality is to recognise that certain combinations of factors change things. Are all white people 'privileged'? Of course not. There are huge numbers of white people in poverty or with disabilities or other factors that affect their privilege relative to other people. But do white people in the UK generally speaking, have privilege by virtue of the fact they are white? Yes.

Westfacing · 27/04/2024 18:30

There are plenty of slim, white, blonde, tall women living deprived lives in the UK.

Privilege comes from advantaged backgrounds - take for instance princesses Eugenie & Beatrice who both live very privileged lives. Neither is slim, tall, blonde, etc but they live the high life, based solely on their birth.

OneTC · 27/04/2024 18:36

ConflictedCheetah · 27/04/2024 18:29

The point about privilege is relativity though. I mean, I'm not sure I agree 'everyone should worry about the police ' but leaving that aside: all other things being equal do young white men have to worry about being stop and searched the way as young black men do? No. That's white privilege.

The all other things being equal here is important. The whole point of intersectionality is to recognise that certain combinations of factors change things. Are all white people 'privileged'? Of course not. There are huge numbers of white people in poverty or with disabilities or other factors that affect their privilege relative to other people. But do white people in the UK generally speaking, have privilege by virtue of the fact they are white? Yes.

I totally agree with everything you've said with regard to white privilege

Octomingo · 27/04/2024 19:24

Is this one of those incel things where they think women are privileged cos they can choose who have sex with? Is that where the blonde thing comes from?

I've been all colours. Currently blonde. It's made no difference to my life at all. I prefer being brunette but I cba to dye it all the time.

Being tall definitely didn't feel like a privilege growing up. The boys liked the smaller girls and I was ridiculed for my height all the way to adulthood. I like being a tall woman, but it's not given me any special privilege. I've always felt less feminine.

I am privileged because:
I am white
I am educated
I have adopted a fairly neutral accent by dint of going away to uni/ work (which makes me sound posh, according to my neighbours becauseI've lost my local accent)
I am slim
I have a job which enables me to have a house that I will one day own

kdramaqueen · 27/04/2024 19:31

"As a short fat person I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that being tall and slim will have people (not all people but a significant proportion of them) treating you with much more respect. People see those who are taller and slimmer in a more positive light and those who are shorter and fatter in a more negative light"

My experience as a short, overweight (size 12/14) person is different from yours. My tall, slim DIL used to complain that short females got both the short and tall men! I have never felt disrespected because of my height. I dress to suit my bodytype and I'm confident and articulate in my interactions with others. Both my weight and height have never been a disadvantage in life except for reaching high shelves at the supermarket. Strangely enough, tall people are always happy to help when asked.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 27/04/2024 19:33

40andlovelife · 27/04/2024 11:44

The most underachieving group of kids in Britain are white boys.

Go to many areas in north Manchester and tell me white is a privilege.

CLASS is the defining factor not bloody race.

Stop with this race baiting.

How are you using the fact that white boys are the most underachieving kids in Britain as proof white privilege doesn't exist? The majority of people in prison are white, that doesn't mean white privilege doesn't exist. We just live in a majority white country.

kdramaqueen · 27/04/2024 19:40

RE Blonde CEOs. "There are lots of articles online discussing blonde privilege, for example"

I looked that up online and the articles didn't even look at whether the CEO's were natural blondes or not. It's as likely that the female CEOs dyed their hair blonde to cover the grays caused by overworking and stress.

Doxxy17 · 27/04/2024 19:46

ConflictedCheetah · 27/04/2024 11:47

Class is an absolutely massive factor it's true. But race is still relevant. I'll never have to worry about my white boys being stop and searched or racially profiled by police. Their English/Irish names won't be judged on a job application the way an African sounding name would.

Class is one but let's not pretend race isn't. They're not mutually exclusive. Privilege is incredibly layered.

Come to the west of Scotland and your Irish name may very well be an indicator that you are a catholic putting you at risk of very real secterian discrimination.

I agree with everything else you said so I suppose my point is different factors can play out differently in different areas too.

ManchesterBeatrice · 27/04/2024 19:47

I'm 5'4" and around 8.5 stone and never got the tall thing, I think being small and thin is definitely a privilege though.

Obviously class and race also.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/04/2024 19:47

Allfur · 27/04/2024 11:42

I thought privilege was a percieved advantage over others, if exercising and eating well keep you slim, isn't that open to all?

Of course not because there are too many variables. Many conditions and disabilities prevent people exercising/eating healthily/cause weight gain. Some medications for such conditions cause weight gain

It's privileged not to be affected.

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 19:48

ManchesterBeatrice · 27/04/2024 19:47

I'm 5'4" and around 8.5 stone and never got the tall thing, I think being small and thin is definitely a privilege though.

Obviously class and race also.

again, it is biology. Prehistoric men are more likely to have selected a smaller mate as they would need fewer resources.

Finlesswonder · 27/04/2024 19:48

I'm 5'9" and thin and definitely experience it as a privilege

sheoaouhra · 27/04/2024 19:49

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/04/2024 19:47

Of course not because there are too many variables. Many conditions and disabilities prevent people exercising/eating healthily/cause weight gain. Some medications for such conditions cause weight gain

It's privileged not to be affected.

MOST people have control over their weight, whether or not they choose to exercise that control. It is their choice

ManchesterBeatrice · 27/04/2024 19:50

Good old biology 🤣