70s bush envy

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Is it just me or does anyone else have bush envy? Yes I mean pubic hair bush. I swear I have alopecia down there. I would love a big soft bush. Apparently you can get a bush wig which I'd seriously consider.

(Dear Aston University - stick that in your pipe)

The moment you have a daughter of a certain age and she asks you to pay for laser treatment - it's not just a private matter to her.

Another factor which no one seems to talk about - is at what age are all the depilated women here showing disgust at their daughter's early pubic hair? Is it not disgusting and then suddenly disgusting?

What age are very young women being taken for hair downstairs hair removal?

I think this is quite a psychologically loaded message to send a young woman.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe ok, but that poster wasn't telling you not to wax/shave bare, or expressing any opinion as to whether she personally likes it or not - she may well. She just said society plays a role and she's completely right.

Society/culture whatever plays a role in basically everything in life. How we choose to do our hair, dress, speak, parent our children, what job we choose, what partner we choose. Why would pubic or body hair be the exception?

There was precisely zero judgment in that post.

It's really judgemental to imply that those who remove hair do so in response to (patriarchal) societal pressure, and then to double down and insist that they are most definitely capitulating but just aren't smart enough to realise when women who get rid of hair clearly and repetitively state that it is removed due to sensory issues or personal comfort.
Honestly how many times have those who clip wax or shave had to say "I do it for this reason" only to be told that no actually we do it for that reason we just aren't aware of it.
It's been an absolute theme.

As I've already pointed out with a snarky post regarding pubes and the patriarchy, none of the pro bush crowd have gone anywhere near the women who say they keep a long mane down there because hubby loves it and asked them to keep it.
That's a direct response to male approval, yet it has ONLY been the women who shorten their pubes who have been accused of capitulating to male-led culture in this thread.

Recognise the hypocrisy.

none of the pro bush crowd have gone anywhere near the women who say they keep a long mane down there because hubby loves it and asked them to keep it. That's a direct response to male approval

Some of your post gives a pause for thought, but this argument doesn't work for me really.

Pro-bush women aren't 'keeping a long mane.' They're just 'having pubic hair.' The fact that their OH loves it is great, but they're not doing anything - they're just leaving their bodies alone and enjoying them. Simply having pubic hair and not removing it isn't a direct response to male approval. It's just...having pubic hair.

I spent years waxing it all off and claiming that I was 'doing it for myself.' I genuinely believed it at the time, tbf.

Nope, if you find a the post there was a woman who used to trim but grew it once and hubby loved it and asked her to keep it long, so she did.
That is a direct response to male approval.

Also, picking me up on phrasing when it's been one of many euphemisms used to describe "70s bush" doesn't really annihilate my point.

Other people's opinions play a role in keeping or removing body hair, correct.

And thats an example of very positive male approval, the type we want to see more of. A man supporting his partner an loving her natural body 🤷‍♀️

It’s still a women changing what she does to gain the male approval.

No opinion other than my own plays a role in removing my body hair, so I'm sorry if other peoples opinion means something to you regarding your own body.

And nobody, NOBODY, should alter their body in response to approval or disapproval, from anybody, and that includes husbands, partners, and women on the Internet.

And nice spin, turning male approval into body positivity.
Now do the one when he encourages her to diet cos he likes slim women.

Also, picking me up on phrasing when it's been one of many euphemisms used to describe "70s bush" doesn't really annihilate my point

If this is aimed at me, I've got no idea what you're talking about

I didn't mention your choice of phrase. What point? What annihilation?

Anyway, we disagree. Whatever.

"Pro-bush women aren't 'keeping a long mane.' They're just 'having pubic hair."

I was talking about the above comment from you.

There have been many euphemisms used for keeping long or short pubic hair in this thread. Using "keeping a long mane" as one of them doesnt negate the point being made.

But yeah, whatever.

I simply quoted you. You've added your own negative spin on a direct quote from your own post.

I actually started my post with half-agreeing with some of your comment. I know this is MN, but don't be so quick to assume someone is attacking you. It closes down any sensible exchange of views.

I really should stop expecting any normal, good-humoured debate on here.

What?

You literally said this - Pro-bush women aren't 'keeping a long mane.' They're just 'having pubic hair.'
That would be you pulling me up the use of the phrase "keeping a long mane."
It's nitpicking for the sake of it.

You've completely missed the point that a woman on this thread grew her pubic hair out in direct response to her husband asking her to keep it long because he loved it like that when she'd lapsed on trimming for a spell, which is frustrating, because you're telling me that this isnt related to male approval when it is an absolutely concrete example of it.

So yeah, no, not good humoured about the exchange at present. Apologies.

wtf does anyone want or need male approval of their body hair?!

If you want a man to come along and ‘approve’ of your natural bush then you are in no position to lecture other women on feminism.

You literally said this - Pro-bush women aren't 'keeping a long mane.' They're just 'having pubic hair.'
That would be you pulling me up the use of the phrase "keeping a long mane."
It's nitpicking for the sake of it

You're simply wrong. I quoted a handful of your words in order to respond to them. You've decided that - indeed repeated that - I'm criticising your turn of phrase by simply quoting it! Absolute madness.

Regarding anything else, you're obviously someone who can pick a fight in a paper bag and I have zero interest in engaging with any more of it.

Have a pleasant evening.

Agree no-one should, but the influence of porn, the size of female swimwear, and peer pressure (in some cases) all play a part.

They do for some people yeah.

Haven't RTFT but OP YABU to call it a 70s bush. Do you think women began to grow public hair in the 1970s? Are you seriously basing your view of humans on some old porn?

Oh wind your fucking neck in.
Crossed wires with another poster doesnt require your input.

Exactly.

What is this thing about policing threads and complaining about thread hyjacking?

There are thousands of posts over several days on a mumsnet thread- do people really expect them all to just be a direct answer to the op?!

Its normal for conversation to flow and evolve, go through tangents and return to the original topic- it would be boring if it didn’t!

I'll comment on your posts if I want cheers. You're being daft and it's irritating.

Calm down and stop fighting with people.

This is so silly. Total pube removal is a fashion. Like all fashions it works it’s power through loads of routes so you think you are ‘choosing’ when in fact it has been chosen for you. No one is immune to this pressure - we conform to social trends because we are a social species and not being outcast from society means we try to fit in with what we are told (in one way or another) is acceptable. People simply would not remove pubic (or leg or armpit or chin) hair if it wasn’t for fashion. I’m not above social conformity in some things. No one is - Not me or you or anyone who participates in culture or lives in a society.

It so happens like loads of fashions pube removal is actually harmful to women’s health - and it can be mapped directly onto the proliferation and growth of availability of hardcore pornography. That is why some women see having pubes as an urgent political rebuttal to a social problem. Some people who are ‘aged out’ of the particular fashion for pubes (because they came of age before it was a thing) or who find pubic hair pleasant are just letting it grow.

I agree completely. It's the stupid arguing about literally nothing that just been irritating today!

I'm all for a meandering discussion 😁

Love the use of 'berk' on this thread, given its cockney rhyming slang origin - Berkley hunt