To think that Landlords have a bad name.

[Arewe29]

NC for this.

Is it just me or are all landlords frowned upon a MN.

We own and rent out 3 properties all our properties are rented out to young families, just under market rate, we allow them to decorate their homes how they like, and if there is any issues or problems they just call us and we sort it out ASAP.

I know that there is some terrible landlords out there, that should be dealt with but there are thousands of other that are decent that follow all the laws and their tenants are very happy.

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Don’t let posters like that get to you. They’re not worth it.

Do you not think you kind of deserved that after asking personal questions about why I didn't stay with my mum, admitting you were able to stay with yours and could therefore buy your house, and then agreeing that I have limited life experience?
I've experienced things your priveldged self could likely never cope with.

Really, I asked a question.

You are the one that has got personal and have assumed, you really have no idea. Read back at what you have wrote.

Yeah really. You shouldn't have brought parents into it if you can't handle it.

In fact you probably shouldn't have started this whole thread since you haven't done very well with any of the answers.

You brought parents up, and other posters have explained why they have rented.

That MORAL high ground will get lonely one day.

OP has answered well despite the anger and goady comments from certain posters.

No, you did.

You asked me why I didn't stay home with my mum and said that if I had, I could have saved up. Like I dont know that people with supportive parents generally have better starts in life. You've no idea why I didn't and how that comment has made me feel. Then agreed I have limited life expereince. So yeah, you deserved a shitty comment in return because what you said was thoughtless at best and goady at worst. I'm happy for you that you stayed at home until 20.

@Applescruffle

This is the only thing I wrote about parents (see below)

"No you have made three paragraphs about the issue with private LLs, why are you renting why have you not bought a house, why did you not stay with your Mum and saved up for your own home, if you cant stand private LLs

I know of no house that has increased by that amount unless she purchased a council house. Let me know what town and I will relocate there."

I also wrote that people need a home when they leave home as they do not have caring parents.

Yet you are the one who assumed and made a personal attack, when you had no clue. Take care.

Look, I think you must struggle a bit with the ethics of the situation, otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question.

The housing market in the UK is undoubtedly broken, and it's historic, and complex, and the burden of blame doesn't fall solely on the shoulders of private landlords, but they are undoubtedly part of the problem.

And threads like this always only ever go one way. There's a lot of legitimately angry people out there who cannot get on the housing ladder because the market has been absolutely buggered by private landlords, and the political environment that allowed them to flourish.

We can't compare the UK private rental market with Europe, for many reasons, so it's pointless to try and do so, they're very different things.

And there most certainly is a need for rentals for a dynamic workforce amongst other and varied reasons.

It's inescapable though that private landlords, for the main part, in the housing situation we currently have in the UK are unethical.

And when they appear on threads like this to extol their virtuous and altruistic nature, and also claim that tenants are destructive beasts that have taken advantage of that and destroyed the homes that they were so generously providing.

Well, people are going to be pissed off aren't they?

I sometimes think that landlords are not only unethical in their investment choices, they're maybe masochists too.

Why else would they post such blind nonsense?

Read back at your posts calling people thick, swearing and other things.

You have assumed and are making yourself look really silly.

Oh dear. Time for bed for you?

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This says everything about you.

Actually, the equivalent of a S21 does not happen throughout much of Europe, which is why the rental market is very different there and BtL is not really a thing.

So an adjustment in the UK is certainly needed and may cause pain all over.

Certainly more social housing is desperately needed.

Think someone may have had one too many Apple based drinks.

How are most rental properties owned without a BLT in Europe I know some are past through the generations and rented out to "keep them in the family"

Why the nastiness?

It sounds as if you’ve both had difficult childhoods, there’s no need for the goading.

@Arewe29 Yiu seem to be getting pleasure out of upsetting other posters? Why?

I think you may have been reading a different thread.

I will treat people how they have treated me, the poster said about their Mum and I asked a genuine question, as to why they moved into a rental when they think LLs are scum.

I wrote that I had saved up, they assumed something and made a personal attack one of many.

@Applescruffle dont edit posts to make minimise what you have written and make yourself look better.

Clearly Apple is upset and had a difficult childhood.

No one should call you scum, but laughing at anger and insinuating things about ppls situation seems a bit off too.

maybe leave it now?

And S21 is what caused much of the power imbalance between tenants and landlords, after S21 in 1988 (also the 1980 Right to Buy simultaneously cleaving a load of social housing into private hands), the power of the owner became absolute. In law the tenant became an easily exterminated pest.

This is why we are now.

Historic policy that appealed to those who wish to build a small and private empire, within the grounds or their own (and maybe a few houses on the next street's) front garden.

Add into that historically low and artificial interest rates, added to 100% or even 110% mortgage deals.

PLUS a refusal of successive governments to actually get their fingers out and address the housing shortage.

We won't even talk about foreign investors rinsing dirty money in empty property in London's most desirable postcodes.

It's a mess. And it needs sorting out.

And I do think that widespread housing construction, sensibly, not just non-serviced estates with the minimum construction standards and a sop to social housing. But an actual and concerted effort to build decent housing for those who need it, in hand with a punitive tax regime for BtL, whilst still providing short-term housing for people who require it.

This sort of wide-ranging policy and need should not be in the hands of small investors. It's bastardises a market.

And I speak as a fan of capitalism. Ethical capitalism mind, but it's the best model we have at the moment. I do think people need incentivising, and capitalism does that at its best.

It does seem to be a bit broken now.

That's a new conversation though!

It is bad policy that's got us where we are.

Private landlords are an inevitable product of that.

I do see them as bottom-feeders though.

Well this has been interesting late night breastfeeding reading 😳